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The Spiritual Sun, Vol. 2 Messages of Jesus Christ on the spiritual life in the Beyond. Given thru the inner word to Jakob Lorber (1842-43). Millions and Millions of souls from children are mentored, taught and provided for in the ‘Kingdom of the Children’ (Spiritual Sun Volume 2, 67-101). Because they could not experience their trial life at all or only for a short while, they are taught and trained in the Children’s Kingdom under a loving guidance, whereby a very important part is, to know and experience practically the 12 Commandments of God (The 10 Commandments of Moses and the 2 Commandments of Love). It is self-evident, that in the ‘Divine Teaching Facility’ no human interpretations are taught. That is why each human being, still living in the flesh, may take one’s bearings from this explanation. (or better should) The Guidance through the ‘Children’s Kingdom’ takes place by the Apostle of Love, John. Chapter 73 – The first commandment in the first classroom – explanation 1. We do not need a long and wide voyage from here, for the next garden is before our very eyes. Look, at a moderate distance we are already greeted with endlessly stretched rows of trees, behind which we see an exceedingly large and equally splendid palace. This is already the garden in which we have to be, in which you will even meet those children whom the Lord has taken from you on the earth. 2. But if you would recognize them at once, is certainly another question; for in the spirit, the children no longer resemble the physical traits of their earthly parents, but they only resemble the Lord to the extent of their receptive capacity for the loving-goodness and faithfulness from the Lord. Nevertheless, on certain occasions, they can also accept the earthly similarities which are bound in their souls, and thus make themselves known in form to those who have come here from the earth, and are not yet too much acquainted with the spiritual conditions. 3. We shall not, however, spend any more time speaking about this, but rather to go straight into the garden, to convince ourselves of all that with our own spiritual eyes, which we would otherwise have to attain with the mouth here. 4. We are already in the tree-rows or avenues, in which you have discovered the most beautiful flowery lanes, and also here and there children, walking gaily on it. Let us go in deeper, and we shall find ourselves, as soon as we are there, at the palace we have first seen. 5. See, it is already standing in front of us, with a nearly indefinitely stretched length. Thousands times thousand windows are set in rows. Every one measures seven klafter high. Above the height of the windows, we find a smaller row of windows, which are placed exactly above each of the lower large windows. 6. You say and ask, “But for the sake of the Lord, is this whole building, this immensely long palace, but a single hall? I say unto you, It is not, but is divided into twelve divisions. At the height where you see the second row of small windows, a splendid and wide gallery runs along the whole hall, from which gallery one can, without disturbing the students on the floor at all, overlook the twelve sections one by one, and convince oneself of what is in them. Now let us go in, that everything may be clear to you. 7. Look, here we are at the entrance. But we do not need to go up to the gallery because we are to remain largely invisible to these little children. Only the teachers will be aware of us; but these are already told why we are here. 8. Well, here we are already in the first room. What do you see in the middle of this great hall written on a white tablet placed on a column standing upright? you say: At the very top, the number 1, which is known to us, and which will surely be the number of the hall, and below: the path to the freedom of the spirit! That is, I tell you, not the number of the hall, but the first law of God by Moses. 9. You ask, “What are the many children, whom are already looking quite mature, to do with the earthly law of Moses, which is considered to be for mortal, disbelieving people, but certainly not for children, who as pure spirits have long been convinced of the existence of the one God; since, as we have seen, this is shown to them at the very beginning of the first elementary lecture, as a vivid illustration, at every possible opportunity? 10. My dear friends and brothers, the matter is quite different from what you think. But you also find something similar on the earth, where you can ask the children wherever you want, and you will find everywhere with them a truly living faith in a God. For none is more believing than a child, and yet there is surely no such mean parental couple to be found who would deny their children, at least in the beginning of their lives, to acknowledge a God, since every religion prescribes it, and the parents have to, at least from the moral point of view, allow their children to learn about and recognise it. 11. Would not it also be believed that such children, taught by God, do not need any further instruction about God by this time? You must confess, and say: yes, every human does require such teaching till the end of his life; for it is only too easy for the first impressions of childhood to become blurred, and then are these people who have outgrown their children’s shoes, as if they had never heard of God. I tell you: such a blurring is, of course, not easily possible here; but you must understand that these children, because of their early arrival, had no opportunity on earth to react on the freedom of their spirit, which is the actual motive for life. Therefore, this most important action for the life of the spirit, must be put into the fullest action here. So far, these children’s spirits have been, to a certain extent, spiritual living machines. Here, however, they are concerned with becoming alive out of themselves, and therefore they must also learn all the commandments, and then test them in their own right, and learn how they themselves are living spiritual beings under a given law. 12. And so here is the first commandment given, which is, “Thou shalt believe in one God, and never think that there is either no God, nor that there are two, three, or several gods.” 13. Here, of course, we ask ourselves again: how can one command a believing of a God who believes in God anyway, and has no doubt about it? This is indeed a good remark; but the children are here subjected to all sorts of doctrines and customs by their teachers, in which they are afflicted by all sorts of doubts about the existence of God; this mode of instruction is called the desolation of one’s own spirit. 14. But in order to do this with these children, the teachers not infrequently make the most remarkable things happen as if coincidental before the students’ eyes, let them have a look at it, and then ask them whether God was needed for this, since they have not seen Him acting. If the children say that God can do this only through His will, without necessarily having to be present, then the teachers let their students themselves think of different things, and whatever is thought by the children, would appear immediately before them. Then the teachers would again ask the children: who has done this? 15. Thereby several are brought into the twilight. Some say that they themselves have done this, others think that the teachers have done it according to the recognition of the thoughts in the students. But some say that they have thought of such things, but the one omnipotent God must have admitted it, so that the thought appeared as a finished work before them. 16. If the students still remain faithful to the one God, then the teachers would ask them how then do they know that there is a God? The students then usually reply to them: The first wise teachers have taught us this. Now, however, these teachers probe further, saying, What then would you say, if we, as equally wise teachers would say and teach that there is no God, and that all that you see is made and built by us? And what will you say when we say of ourselves that we are the actual true gods? 17. Behold, here the children really hesitate, and then ask the teachers what they should do in this case? 18. But these teachers say to them, “Seek in you what you must do; if there is a God, then you must find him in you, and if there be none, you will never find any. 19. When the children ask how they should make such a search in themselves, the teachers say, “Try to love the God which you believe that he exists, in your hearts, as if He really exists. Let this love grow, and if there is a God, He will answer you in your love, but if there is none, you will not receive an answer in your hearts. 20. See, here the pupils begin to go into their inner being and begin to love the God whom they only previously believed in, in a childlike fashion. But then it happens that God, the Lord does not report as soon as expected, and our children are in no small doubt. But how they are brought to conquer this doubt, from these, the persecution will show. Chapter 74 – How should one seek God? 1. There are already some who have just turned to their teachers, and have made the remark that they are now compelled to believe that there is no God besides the teachers who perform miracles before them, while this God, whom they have took hold of with their love in their hearts, has not shown up among them in any perceptible way. 2. But what do teachers do in reaction to their students’ statements? Listen to how a teacher, who received such a report, responds: he (the teacher) speaks to his students: 3. My beloved children! It may well be that God has not yet spoken to you; but it can also be that he has spoken, but that you are too inattentive and have not noticed it. 4. Therefore tell me, Where were you, when you took hold of God in your hearts? Were you outside under the trees of the garden, or in the galleries of the hall, or were you on the great floor of the hall, or in some chamber, or were you in your boarding-rooms, which were built outside this great school? And tell me what you have seen, noticed, and felt here and there. 5. The children say, “We were outside among the trees, and we saw the glories of God’s creations, which we should believe in, and rejoiced that He had done such splendid things. We imagined Him to be a very dear father, who likes to come to His children, and have thereby also felt a great longing in our hearts to see Him, and then to meet Him with all our childish love, to embrace Him and to love Him with all our might. 6. But no Father came to us from any side. We also asked each other carefully, whether one or the other has not yet noticed the Father. But every one of us can honestly say that we have not in the least seen anything at all of Him. 7. We then left the square, hurried to the booths of the lecture hall building, and did so there. But the success was the same as under the trees. We went from there to our dormitories, in the opinion that here the Father would be most likely to visit us, for we prayed a great deal, and begged Him fervently to show Himself to us. But it was all in vain! Since we have obeyed your advice in vain, we now feel compelled to agree with your doctrine that there is not a God. And so we have decided among ourselves that if there is already a God, there is not a whole, but a divided one in all the living and free beings as you and we are. God is, therefore, only a totality of the corporeal power, which first and foremost recognizes Himself and others in the beings, as you are, and also acts powerfully as such. 8. See the little philosophers here, and at the same time recognize the reason or the false seed which is the fruit of all these slippery rational speculations. 9. What does our teacher say about these philosophies of his disciples? Hear, therefore, his words: My dear children! Now I have shown you the reason in yourselves quite clearly why no God has shown up for you, neither under the trees, nor in the solitude, nor in the dormitories (that is, neither in the inquiry in nature through experiences nor dissections thereof, nor by the way of higher speculations of reason and intellect, nor in your not much better than daily life) because you have already gone out with doubts. 10. You have not definitely expected God, but only expected a probability. But God must be in Himself the highest degree of definite determination. When you have sought with doubt in your thoughts, faith and will for the highest Godly certainty, how could He reveal Himself amidst such indefinite probability? Therefore, remember what I will tell you now: 11. If you want to seek God, and you also want to see Him, then you must step out with the greatest certainty and seek Him as such. You must, without the slightest doubt believe that He is, even if you do not get to see Him for how long. Then you must embrace Him with your love with the same certainty as your belief in Him. Then it will be shown whether you have attained the greatest possible determination in your thinking, faith, will, and love. 12. If you have obtained the same, God will surely show up for you, if He does exist. But if you have not attained this determination, you will return to me without having achieved your objective, as you did this time. 13. Look, the children consider the teaching of the teacher, and one, seemingly the weakest of them, goes to the teacher and says: Listen to me, you dear, wise teacher! Do you not think that if I went all alone into my dormitory, and if I would like to embrace God the Lord as the most loving Father with my love, in the right way, since I have never been able to doubt whether there is a God, but I remained, despite all the contradictory proofs, forever and steadfastly sure of God. Don’t you think he would show up with me if I wanted to love Him alone? For that many thoughts and beliefs, after all, seem to me a little arduous. 14. The teacher said to the child, “Go, my dear little child, and do what is good to you; who knows for the present whether you are right? I can now give you neither a yes nor a no, but say to you, “Go and find out what love can do!” 15. Now see the child running out of the hall into his dormitory-room, and the other students question the teacher whether he preferred the enterprise of the one child, which now went to his dormitory-room, to what they are now doing according to his advice, to go out with all certainty and to search for God. 16. But the teacher said, “You have heard what I said to your fellow student, that is neither a yes or no; I also say to you. Go out or don’t; do what is best for you, and experience will show which path is the better and the shorter one, or whether the one is false or the other right, or whether both are false or both correct. 17. Now see, a part of the children understand the determination concept, but others only the love. Those who enter into determination go out into the garden in full depth of thought, willingness and firm faith; but a part goes into the dormitory-rooms to seek God. 18. But as you can see, the child, first led by love for God, is led into the hall by a simple man and goes straight to the teacher. What is he going to say? 19. Listen, he (the child) speaks: Dear, wise teacher, come here! When I began to love the dear great Heavenly Father in my dormitory-room, this simple man came to me and asked me if I was really so fond of the Heavenly Father. I told him, O dear man, thou canst read it on my face. But then the man asked me how I imagined the great Heavenly Father in my mind. And I said to him, I imagine Him as a man; but only He must be very great and strong, and surely also have a great radiance, because this world and the sun shining upon it, are already so exceedingly glorious and splendid. 20. Here the simple man lifted me, pressed me to his heart, gave me a kiss, and then said to me, “Take me over to the tutor’s school; there we want to discuss everything, and to properly see what the Heavenly Father looks like, if He exists, when He is, and how He creates, directs, and governs everything out of Himself. Now, behold, my wise teacher, here I am now with this simple man. Who do you think this man would be, because he treats me with so much fondness? 21. And the teacher speaks in the most obvious love and respect: O most happy child, you have already found the Right One; behold, this is God, our most loving Father! And the Lord now bows down, and takes the child upon His arm, and asks him, Am I the one whom thy teacher has announced unto thee? And the child speaks with great excitement: Oh, yes, it is You, I recognize Your infinite goodness, for who else is as good as You, that he would take me into His arms, and would cuddle and caress like You?! But I also love you so incomprehensibly much that I can never be separated from You ever again; do therefore not to leave me here, my dear Father. For I have never felt such kindness and love as now in Your arms! And the Lord says, Fear not, O my child! Whoever has once found Me like you will never ever lose Me.

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Say I (the Lord): “Friend and brother, every true life (out of and within Jesus Christ) cannot possibly be anything other than utterly blissful. But a life that is led by death, the way a law enforcer leads a sinner to criminal proceedings, can only perceive any kind pleasure in a wholly degenerate state. If you were to remove the veil, however, that life would shrink back in horror after recognizing where it’s escort is leading it. This is why it is better in a way for the people of the Earth to be blind and deaf; it allows them to at least seemingly enjoy the span of their life, sauntering from death to death. 10. I say unto you all: For many millions, their make-believe life is followed by no further one. Because just as there is life eternal, there is also eternal death. On Earth, there are trees upon which glorious fruits ripen quickly, and none of their blossoms flowered in vain. There are also trees that bloom abundantly and carry much fruit, but when such trees lack the proper nutrients and have to hold onto their tasteless fruits for lengthy periods of time until they ripen, then three quarters fall off the branches and onto the ground before their time. I say unto you: There are only few healing herbs with which to reinvigorate such fallen off and unripe fruit. Wherever some of these fruits fall off shortly before they fully ripen, they can be gathered and stored, and they shall at least achieve premature ripening. But for fruit that fell from the branches soon after flowering due to a lack of nutrients, there is no longer a cure. 11. With this I am not saying that children who die shortly after their birth cannot attain everlasting life, because this parable has nothing to do with earthly birth and maturation; here we are dealing with souls that have already bloomed beautifully in the light of My grace here on Earth, and have initially zealously consumed the water of life. But come times of trials, they sealed their mouths tightly, not wishing to partake of the admittedly harsh tasting salt of life. The consequence thereof was the complete seperation from the branches feeding them, and therewith came a death from which recovery is impossible. Therefore, let us leave such blind and deaf fruits to enjoy their short life, for despite their utter nothingness, their life is nevertheless long enough!” 12. Says Robert: “As true as all this is bound to be, it reminds me of a Chinese and Japanese law which limits the number of children parents may raise to six or seven. Any additional offspring must be drowned or otherwise put to death.” 13. Say I: “My friend, this you do not understand as of yet! Behold, a potter forms his pot of clay upon the disc, but due to happenstance, the pot becomes malformed in the process. What does the potter do? He smashes the half finished pot, mixes the leftovers with fresh clay, and puts the new mass on the disc to shape a less delicate vessel, which he succeeds in doing. This way, the initial material is saved for future use, but its original individuality is irretrievably lost. In short, the first self is completely destroyed, and that is, in a real sense, the everlasting death, which neither love nor recollection of a primordial existence can revive, and consequently, no development towards everlasting perfection can be contemplated there. Yet maintaining the primordial individuality is of unimaginable importance, because without it the childhood of God cannot be attained; a second birth can never be a first birth. Chapter 294 – Everlasting death, the reason therefore and its nature. Fate of those who have descended into the third hell. Threat of judgment and longanimity of the Lord. 1. Says Robert, having reached the spiral staircase: “Oh most loving and wise Father! Words fail us to properly thank You for such an elucidation. In other words, one can find oneself alive and well in some heaven, despite the state of this ‘eternal death’, but the primordial self will no longer be there. Oh, is this not grace upon grace on Your part! By ‘eternal death’ we had understood hell, from where there is no escape. But should there still be a way out, considering all things are possible with You, then we think this exit cannot be anything but quite arduous. But now this matter takes on an entirely different shape; our thanks and love for such a portentous and glorious explanation!” 2. Say I: “It especially pleases Me that you are receiving this so well, but the grace received by an unfortunate being that was given eternal death is not as great as you might think. Because for some spending a million earth years in hell with retained original individuality would be preferable to everlasting death. But if the first birth is forever lost amidst the hell of the third degree, then of course it is even worse than mere eternal death itself. 3. As far as I can see, you have well understood what everlasting death in and of itself is. However, as of yet you do not comprehend the actual severity of that condition, and so I shall have to elaborate somewhat as we climb down this spiral staircase. Listen therefore: 4. He who finds himself in the first or second degree of hell, on account of having warped his primordial self through a perverted love, can nevertheless, after many bitter experiences, once again become what he was in the beginning. He keeps his consciousness and he retains his memory, and he can even attain perfection still. 5. But if man is neither hot nor cold on account of a lukewarmness that is most intolerable to Me, bothering with neither good nor bad, making him capable of committing the most cold-blooded abominations as well as occasional good deeds, then all is the same to him: God and devil, night and day, life or death, truth or lie. Such an individual has fallen victim to eternal death already. With this he finds himself in lowermost hell, from which escape is unthinkable for the primordial individuality. 6. The foundation of such a state is a most concentrated arrogance that has gone through all stages of selfishness. These individuals have crushed themselves with such a high density of self-love that they have thereby deprived themselves of their spirit’s primordial life. This is what constitutes the actual everlasting death, the worst of the worst, because it brings existence itself to an end. 7. Such a soul is then fully corrupted. Its original totality must be dissolved into its individual primordial sparks of life through the power of fire. Then, after being blended together with completely new sparks, it must travel a long way through the plant and animal kingdoms of another planet, within a different, far off solar system, until it finally transforms into an inferior human form. This way only despairingly little will remain of the original individuality of such a soul. And that is truly the worst part, because such a soul will never get to see Me, as it now is and will forever remain only a soul, without My spirit. 8. It is like an unripe and rotten apple which may develop mold. It can never be an apple now, only a parasitic plant at best, which, in turn, has little resemblance with the original tree and fruit. Tell Me whether you all have fully understood this or not?” 9. All of them speak with one voice: “Lord and Father, everything is completely clear to us now. Of course, not much good can be said of such a self-inflicted loss; yet despite all this Your great love and mercy still shine through, and all things are possible with You. It may certainly be possible that, after unmentionable eons, a little opportunity may surface for these beings to gradually get to know and love You from their primordial condition, thereby moving forward in their understanding and love. 10. How often already have You prophesied all sorts of judgments as dire consequences through the mouth of Your prophets and servants to the children of the world. But when only a few of the better ones turned to You in their hearts, You withdrew Your sharp rod. Once again You blessed the Earth, and You forged a path for the reformation of the evil ones, a path that was different from the one You had indicated through Your prophets Jonah and Jeremiah for instance. You had always kept Your word in all prophecies for good, and You only threatened with punishments when men had totally lost sight of You. 11. Say I: “Yes, you are completely right indeed! The reason that, most of the time, I do not follow up on threats of judgment and punishment, is because these things rarely improve the people affected; mostly it only makes them worse. And so, if only a few righteous ones turn to Me, I gladly turn threats into blessings, which is exactly why I make the threats of judgment and punishment conditional. If they find hearts that fulfil the conditions in a certain way, then things will look up again. I then bless many evil ones on account of the few good ones, so they will not get an opportunity to become even worse, as is usually the case during wars. Wars have always been the best feeding grounds for the insatiable spirits of usury, as well as the best school for crueltly and infernal arrogance. 12. Of course it is often the case that the gentle admonishments of My angels pass by the intransigent ears of worldly men unheard, forcing Me to send the voice of the devils among the deaf people. But if the voice of the heavens finds even only a small audience, then I will let the voice of the devils fall silent; for a father will certainly always remain the most gentle judge and does not immediately weigh in with blows, even if he lifts the rod threateningly. It is better to threaten for decades and turn a blind eye, than to punish for even one year, for the plants upon this our Earth are of a most delicate nature and must be treated with much mercy. The birthplace of the children of My heart is a different one compared to those of the other parts of My being. Keep this in mind always: It is exactly this tiny Earth which is the birthplace of the children of My heart!”

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We find ourselves now in a place called Frohnleiten, where a whole group of spirits emerges from the local parish church and converges on our location, carefully inquiring us about where we came from, whither we are heading and who we are. 2. Peter steps foward and speaks: “We come from on high and are on a short journey through the realms below, in search of the lost sheep and lambs, to chastise the rams and lay waste to the wolves.” The spirits respond: “Aha, so you must be missionaries from Rome, hence ordained by the Pope himself for this vital ministry!?” 3. Says Peter: “Oh my dear ones, we are indeed missionaries, but not ordained by your blind Pope, but by God, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Whosoever among you wishes to follow us shall be accepted by us for the Kingdom of God. Those who refuse to follow us will be left as they are on this desolate Earth. May no one ask us again who we are and what our names are! For those who will not do as we say right here, right now, shall not be accepted.” 4. Say the spirits: “If you are not ordained and sent by the holy Pope, then we cannot follow you, for God the Lord has placed everything in his hands. Whatever he binds on Earth is bound in heaven as well, and whatever he looses upon Earth is also loosed in heaven. So, if you are not sent by the Pope, then you could only have been sent by hell, where all heretics come from, those who also claim they have gone forth from God and that He is their Father – all the while their true father is Satan. Just move along!” 5. Says Peter: “How do you know that the Pope has received such immense power from God the Lord?” Says a woman with a truly massive tome of prayers in her hand: “Well, the whole world knows that! God has given Peter all might, and thereafter, Peter passed it on to every Pope to come. And thus is every Pope an equal to Peter himself! Has his lordship understood this?!” 6. Says Peter: “This sounds quite funny to my ears, as I myself am that same Peter into whose hands God the Lord has placed the spiritual keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. I know nothing of passing on this God-given power to the Roman Pope, just as I never had my seat in Rome. Paul, an apostle to the heathens, has lived under the tyrannical reign of Emperor Nero for quite some time, but not ever the actual Peter! How then should I have been able to appoint a Pope as my successor and pass on the power God Himself has bestowed upon me?” 7. Yells the woman: “Away with you, Satan! Just look at this fellow! Now he claims to be the holy Peter himself! It is not enough that the hellish heretics dismiss Christ’s doctrine, which belongs solely to the Pope; now they seek to be the Lord God Himself! Be on your way now, otherwise we will drive you out of here by force!” 8. Say I (the Lord): “Brother Simon, for the time being is all effort here in vain; these individuals will need at least another 200 years before they become more insightful. Hence, let us move on, but first I shall let you shine for a moment with the glory of heaven, so these obstinate ones may recognize you. Thereafter we shall disappear from their sight in an instant. This vision shall serve them as a guiding star, whose glow will lead them more and more towards the true path of life!” 9. At that very moment Peter begins to shine like the midday sun. All the spirits recoil in fear, but we disappear immediately. As the spirits regain their composure and intend to fall down before us, they see no one anymore. Shortly thereafter they begin to cry and wail, cursing their blindness. 10. An entire council of monks hastens from the church towards the wailing ones, instructing them in proper papal fashion that this manifestation was nothing but a spook work from hell. But the spirits attack the monks, ready to massacre them, and the monks flee to their cloister. The spirits laugh them to scorn, leaving the place and moving to the mountains. And so ends this scene in Frohnleiten.

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The art of poetry from intellect and feeling. The officer requests more love and the Lord’s response. 1. Say I: “My friend, did you not ever notice how people, deeply in love, also make the most sentient poets? Hence love is almost always the only mother of true lyricism. A David burned with love for Me and fellow-man, and was hence also one of the greatest lyrical poets. His son Solomon also, when still loving, was also wise in the real sense of the word: But when he sank his proper love into women’s flesh, he soon became foolish and weak in word and deed. 2. Behold My John! This apostle had the mightiest love for me and hence also the brightest glow in presenting My word and in his words laid wisdom as in no other apostle, wherefore the most profound Revelation was given to him. You can go over the Earth’s history to find true lyricism with people who have their heart in the right place. 3. Purely intellectual people too produce much drama, but there is no more than a laborious search for a lost penny in their hearts’ night. They do indeed sometimes track the penny down, but when trying to pick it up they slip, because the ground on which they stand is loose. 4. Wherefore the so-called wisdom of the world is greatest foolishness before me. What man’s intellect sometimes does not achieve in a hundred years, the right love can yield in one second. Because I myself am the love within man! The more perfect his love, the more My image unfolds within him. 5. The intellect is only the wardrobe in which love keeps its treasures. What however can the soul find there if once, in better times, love had indeed placed it there, but where, within such unlit chamber, it lies scattered and rusted, so that even a soul’s greatest effort shall accomplish little or nothing? Go into a dark cellar and find a lost penny, and you shall fail, but if kindling a good light you shall easily find it with the right patience. 6. Behold, this Sergeant-Major always had the right love for God, Who he knew only the way He could be discerned from the Old Testament. Hence he loved the Deity above all without knowing it; how greatly his love therefore increased on making the Deity’s Personal acquaintance, as is now the case! And it is this love that fires him with such lyrical wisdom. If you desire the latter then you too must generate such love. You love me immensely indeed, but the Sergeant-Major loves Me more. Shortly it shall transpire how this is possible! 7. Says the officer: “Lord, I really don’t understand how it is possible to love You still more. For, by Your holiest name, I surely love you with all my strength, and it would therefore be sheer impossible to love you still more. Hence, Lord, widen my heart and magnify my love life-flame, and I too shall be like an Atlas in love towards You – the way he carries the entire heaven on his shoulders!” 8. Say I: “My dear friend, that which you ask of Me, is left to your discretion, for you alone shall henceforth be the creator and transformer of your nature and love. But the Sergeant-Major shall explain it to you. Chapter 246 – Highest wisdom’s source. How to gather up love for God 1. The officer turns to his erstwhile Sergeant-Major, saying: “Hearken, my most worthy friend; you have been part of my company for several years and always attended to your service for my fullest satisfaction. Had death not caught up with us, you would have understandably become officer. In this world however, according to God’s order, there can be no thought of promotion until the Lord of all worldly and celestial positions helps us to same. 2. Due to His goodness and mercy we have not come before the great, sole ruler of infinity’s holy countenance. We have come to know Him from an aspect that the entire Earth would hardly ever know him, and we have found grace in him without meriting any. 3. But it seems that out of all of us, you came closest to Him, because when you spoke to Him in an exalted and most unprecedented manner, I noticed tears in God’s holiest eyes. And, friend, this is something that infinity would hardly ever grasp! 4. Tell me, friend, how you came by such immense wisdom? Did you already possess it upon Earth, or did this develop in stages in this world, through the influence of Jesus Christ, the Lord of eternity? I indeed found out from God’s own mouth that your great love for Him helped you to it; but to the main question: 5. How did you acquire a love so mighty that one would hardly look for such in the flaming breast of a Cherub? The Lord Himself referred me to you; hence give me a clue! I love Jesus the Lord – with all my strength, and really don’t know how I could love Him still more. Since you know all about it, tell me how the impossible could still become possible to me?” 6. Says the Sergeant-Major: “My commander – my friend! Your own watchword has been: “With God, all things are possible! Which should tell me that love towards God can be restricted no more than knowledge about God: How can you ask such question? Can you see more than light will permit? And can the light be stronger than the source producing it? If you have the material to light up a large room that is the only one you are using for your work, why waste material to light up other rooms which you are presently not using? 7. Gather material to light up just one room! Only after this is sufficiently bright for you to see everything in it as in daylight, you can open doors and windows, allowing enough light to penetrate of itself from the main to the side rooms. Where you don’t gather, there you already scatter on that account. You must therefore gather and save to achieve much wealth! 8. Love is the Heavens’ greatest treasure, and one must hanker after it. After obtaining it, one must not give it away to all the world, although love for neighbour is equal to love for God. But it must be done only for God’s sake and not directly from the heart’s flame, directed to one’s neighbour only through God, or this weakens love for God. Behold your beautiful Matilda; in your heart she receives three quarters of what the Lord alone have; do you see the reason for your love’s feebleness?” Chapter 247 – Love for God and for women; all love should proceed from God’s love. 1. Says the officer: “Dear brother, I thank you for this splendid explanation; you are right, my love for the creature is still much stronger than my love for God the Lord, who surely is the primordial foundation of all love! But it is easier for women to love God than for us males, for they also have the endlessly most perfect man in God, something that goes well with their self-centred nature. Things are somewhat different with us men! We could never be as enamoured in a perfect male as in a female being, as it is grounded in nature. 2. Wherefore I believe there has to be a substantial difference between love for woman and love for God. One is bound to love God, the highest primordial being, completely differently to a woman. And so I believe that a modest love for a marvellous woman can easily exist side by side with the mighty love for God. Love for God must be of the greatest purity, whilst love for the woman can always contain some sensuality. Love for woman is centred mostly on the form, whereas love for God is a most purely interior contemplation of the endless perfections of the Deity, together with an exalted praise of Its purest love and goodness! I think it would be most offensive to God if one loved God with the same feelings as for a woman. 3. Hence I believe that the now saved Matilda cannot in the least diminish my love for the Lord but can on the contrary help me towards a still greater love for him.” 4. Says the Sergeant: “Faith can indeed also make blissful, but I on my part go solely for the bliss from pure love for God. Man has but one heart and can therefore have only one true love from which, once the main love has ripened, other side-loves can still come forth within the divine order. Wherefore I maintain that one has to first stand firmly in one’s love towards God, only after which everything else can still be – adopted in nicest harmony. If one’s love towards God is still swaying however and one hardly knows how one can love God more than a most beautifully formed woman:there friend, true wisdom of the spirit is still at some distance! 5. Behold, the heart has but one chamber for love, and this has to be for God as well as neighbour, and vice versa. If you truly love, then you cannot love God in any way other than a woman, and proper women no different to God, because man’s heart is capable of only one proper love. Whatever is besides that belongs to self-love and is not suitable for God’s Kingdom. 6. In what way did a John, a Jacob, a Peter or a Paul love God? How did Magdalena and a thousand others? Behold, these were totally in love with the Lord even more strongly than are you with your Matilda. And such infatuating love for the Lord created the foundation for the proper lovers of the Lord to promptly become His fervent friends, and masters of love and wisdom. Over there, behind the Lord, stand Peter, Paul and John; ask them whether I said even one wrong syllable!” 7. Says the officer: What’s that? Over here – Paul, Peter and John, who wrote the sublime book of Revelation, those first three earnest men behind the Lord?” Says the Sergeant-Major: “Indeed, just as they once lived.” Says the officer: “Well, in that case I have to go and pay them my respects, although I don’t really take that seriously, – but there justified they are in order and must not be withheld; honour where it is deserved!” 8. Says the Sergeant-Major: “Friend, over here, the way my heart tells me, there is only one compliment, which for everyone consists in love! Having love for God the Lord, you embrace with that Peter, Paul and John, together with all the heavens, earthly compliments mean nothing over here. Hence you need attend only to the Lord, other things taking care of themselves.” 9. Says the officer: “You are right indeed and must be, as you have been initiated into deepest wisdom; yet it may do no harm to start an amicable relationship with the Lord’s three foremost disciples. For must we not assume that these three spirits are, after God the Lord, the three foremost spirits of all infinity. Hence it may in my opinion be fitting to at least introduce ourselves and to greet them as the Lord’s most distinguished friends!” 10. Says the Sergeant-Major: Do as it seems fit to you; I have now told you what is desirable over here. But the Lord Himself is now giving you a sign: go over! Only from His mouth streams the deepest wisdom; grasp it in your heart and live accordingly.”

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Say I (The Lord): “Bruno, dearest friend! Behold, you have certainly sinned often and most coarsely upon Earth. However, since you bear much selfless love in your heart towards your brethren, so too shall much be forgiven you! For here shall mercy be shown to every benefactor of his brothers and sisters, that is, should he practice mercy himself. Thus it shall be done to you, for the sake of your brethren, as well as to your brethren for your sake; because here, one is all, and all are one! 17. “But there are benefactors in the world who may be most merciful towards a poor and young maiden, seeking to help her to the best of their abilities, but should an old and toilsome widow come their way, she will be fobbed off with a sermon and a few pennies, and likewise would this happen for an old and poor brother. Such ‘merciful benefactors’ I will show little mercy! For he who seeks to derive pleasure from his benefactions, and, if unable to do so, is of harder heart than stone itself, belongs to the family of devils. For even devils do good to those of whom they hope to take comfortable advantage. 18. “You, however, are practicing mercy here, beneath which no impure motives may be detected, and thus you shall receive the highest mercy from Me! But before I forward this mercy to you in abundance, I shall subject you to a trial of the heart! Should you pass this as well, then My grace shall be yours at once! 19. “Over there, in the evening dark, you shall find a half-open door, and you may enter the chamber beyond! Therein you shall find all sorts of people who were your worst enemies in the world. Try to win them over, bring them to Me; with this you shall be perfect before Me. For he who does good to his friends alone has not done nearly enough to be able to say to Me: ‘Lord, I was a useless servant after all.’ Yet he who cannot say so is not worthy of Me, not for a long time! So, go there and do in accordance with My words!” 20. Says Bruno: “Oh Lord, Your holy will be done! Your will is my life, my salvation and my greatest bliss! Oh how sweet it is to act in the house of the eternal, almighty Father! Oh you, my enemies, my brethren, you who have grievously misjudged your brother within me, he who loved you, in the name of my God, Lord and Father, I come before you to bless you and do good, and therewith forevermore forget any injustice done to me by you! 21. “Oh, bliss now fills my heart, and it now feels strong enough to humble itself before its arrogant and selfish scorners! Dark notions I receive of how Your heart, holy Father, must have felt back when faced with Your enemies, when, from within, You called out: ‘Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do!’ Oh holy and endless greatness, of which only the heart of God is capable! 22. “Indeed, it is ever so beautiful and uplifting when brothers help one another out, with no thought of recompense! However, no heaven may grasp anything greater or more elavated than the blessing of those who curse us, and to do good to those who have hated, despised and persecuted us! 23. “And so I come before my enemies! For these are as if destined to perfect my heart before God!” With such rare and uplifting words, Bruno rushes over to the door revealed to him by the Lord. Chapter 108 – The Hero of Love surrounded by enemies. The Love of Christ overcomes All 1. As Bruno attempts to enter the chamber his enemies reside in, several of them block the entrance and angrily berate him: “Step back, wretch! What have we to do with you? Have you not always been more despicable to us than even death, and an object of our hatred and contempt? What should we be doing with you here in hell? To the devils with you, you miserable human beast!” 2. Says Bruno valiantly: “Dear friends, what have I ever done to you to make you so rancorous? I will do everything you ask of me, within reason, to be on good terms with you once again!” 3. Yell the brutes at the door: “You miserable human beast can do nothing to change our opinion of you! We ask for nothing but your departure. Your very appearance sickens us more than hell itself! So leave of your own accord, before we tear you to shreds!” 4. Says Bruno: “If it allows me to be reconciled with you, I would gladly let you crucify me! All I ask is that you promise me to bear me no more ill will!” 5. Say the brutes: “Do you actually believe that would bring us honour? Us crucifying you would be the utmost shame unto us! For the sake of decency we could knock you down like a mongrel dog, that is, if we were in the mood for it! But the mere notion of putting in any effort for you is truly ridiculous! So get lost and refrain from angering us any further with your loathsome presence!” 6. Says Bruno: “But dearest friends, I know only too well how you have always hated and, wherever possible, persecuted me in every way imaginable. However, no matter how much I sought to uncover the reason therefore, in the end, it was futile. You persecuted me for the sole reason of disliking me! But over here in the world beyond we have changed much. I think differently now compared to the way I did on Earth, for I have become a completely different person. Surely that should be the case with all of you as well? 7. “Will you not tell me what I have supposedly done to you in the world? I am now in a position to compensate you a thousandfold for whatever I unwittingly owe you. Please, I only ask you forgive me and be more affable! By no means do I lay claim to your friendship, that would be asking too much of you, my self-declared enemies! But I may nonetheless ask you to cease your hostility, especially because you consider me too insignificant to be crucified by you!” 8. Say the brutes: “What do you intend to gain with your arguing and inane showing off? You are a bastard and shall remain so for all eternity. To our faces you behave as if you were the rarest and most honest person to ever live, yet behind it all you are nothing but a wretch and cannot be trusted! Do you not recall working at the stock exchange, where you only predicted falls and scared us out of our investments, only to then scoop them right up! You churl, quit acting so innocently! We know you! Is the exchange rate dropping over here as well perchance, since you seek our friendship?” 9. Says Bruno: “Ah, there we have it! Oh friends, if that is whence your grudge stems, then I do hope we may soon be the best of friends, because I can assure you that your hatred for me is well off the mark! First, consider that I could predict stock rises and falls no more than you. Second, you cannot prove that I bought those stocks you sold back to the bank at a loss. Behold upon what shaky ground your grudge stands! Did I ever coerce you into buying or selling? However, who did persuade you to sell your papers at the lowest price and buy from the highest bidder? Certainly not I, nor a thousand others! You yourselves were most foolish, but you do not wish to admit it. Committing sins of speculation upon yourselves, you blamed the next best individual coming along that happened to be more adept at speculating than you! Do not be laughable! Why would your papers bother me, or mine you for that matter? I bought, and so did you, when it seemed advisable! Or you sold and I bought; this is completely normal! So why do you bear this grudge against me? Never have I spread any rumours, nor have I cast a net of illusions upon you.” 10. “Alright!”, says a member of the hateful crowd, “You have indeed acted as you claim. But this cannot alleviate our rage and hatred against you, for in the world you always thought differently to what your sweet words would have had us believe. If you said black, it was sure to be white, and vice versa! The opposite was always the certain truth. But your malicious guile did not reveal to you that we used your predictions in reverse. To not always succeed is the name of the game, but had we adhered to your assertions to the letter, we surely would have squandered everything all too quickly. That’s how things are, and that is the origin of our justified hatred of you! Prove to us the contrary and we shall even ask your forgiveness and be your best friends.” 11. Says Bruno: “Good, I take you at your word! Answer me a few questions! Number 1: Was I in a higher position than you at the stock exchange, perhaps a director, accountant, secretary, maybe some consultant or the like?” Say the grumblers: “No, like us, you were nothing but a potential buyer.” 12. Says Bruno: “Good! Question number 2: Who at the stock exchange is actually privy to all the financial secrets?” – Answer: “The bank and exchange clerks.” – “Good, question number 3: Are the interested buyers usually served the truth by the initiated officials?” – Answer: “No! Should things go wrong, you will never know the truth.” – “Good! Question number 4: How should I have come to know the truth then?” – Answer: “Quite easily! Through corruption; a rogue may find many things that will remain hidden to any honest individual!” – “Good, the bird is recognized by its song! Bring me all the bank and exchange officials and let them inform you whether I ever bribed them for bank secrets! But the so-called evil world spoke of you, that on a very critical occasion you might have secretly provided an initiate with a thousand ducats, so he would give you a little advance notice of how things might turn out. Thereafter, the very next day in fact, you traded in your papers, resulting in a resounding loss, only receiving spare change in return. After that you undertook a secret deal abroad, losing yet again! Say, did my apparent black-for-white bid you to do so?” 13. The grumblers hesitate, not knowing how to respond. But Bruno continues: “Friends, did I perhaps also advise the lot of you, as a group, to brick up thirty thousand guilders in a cellar? But when marshal law was declared in Vienna and, during a house search, the soldiers broke open the hollow sounding wall, revealing the ever so welcome find and confiscating all of it – was that too the doing of my black-for-white? In short, your losses were always your own doing, and you mistakenly believe that I was in the know of your secret speculations, and that I betrayed you. But how could this even be, since I never bothered you with my presence outside the stock exchange? I have had no part at all in your misfortune, of that you can be certain! God is my witness! If, however, you nonetheless believe I made you miserable, then prove it to me before God, and I shall do everything in my power to compensate you a hundredfold for my debt.” 14. Says one of them, after lengthy deliberation: “Things are indeed the way you just outlined to us! But if you supposedly had no part in our affairs, then we do not understand how you were so familiar with our circumstances. How could they be known to you, as if you yourself had organized them thus? There are bound to have been many other such unfortunate occurrences in Vienna; say, are you just as familiar with them?” 15. Says Bruno: “Certainly not all of them, but still quite a few. Did you not also always know who was taken to court and why, without being informers on the parties involved? How then should I not have been able to ascertain how you fared during the tribulations, since you were well known to me through our mutual interest in the stock exchange? Prove to me that he who, by chance, found out about an acquaintance’s tragedy must also have brought it about. Tell me what law cites this as a criminal offence?” 16. The grumblers are at a loss. They don’t know what to do, and neither can they think of a proper retort. Their wrath fares likewise. They would prefer to remain unreconciled, but after a more mature deliberation they have lost all reason to. They stand before Bruno void of enmity, instead now angry at themselves for no longer bearing any hate or grudge against him. 17. After a while, one of them steps forward, saying: “It is unfortunate that we have no sensible retort for you. How much we would have liked to thrash you, if only we could have ascribed any guilt to you! But you are too clever for anyone to have at you. And on top of all that we must become your friends now as well! What else do you want from us?” 18. Says Bruno: “Friends, do you not see the big conference table in this chamber, and all those assembled there, holding a meeting, dealing with all of infinity?” 19. Says the speaker: “We see neither chamber nor conference table! We only see this tavern, steeped in darkness, and you of course. We cannot tell whether this place has an exit or not. What of this silly question of yours?” 20. Says Bruno: “With this I wish nothing more than to lead you to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, so he may purify you and thereby bring you eternal bliss; the very purpose for which He sent me unto you. Follow me willingly to where I shall lead you, and the proper sight shall come upon you at the appropriate time!” 21. Says the speaker: “This will be rather difficult. Firtsly, by no means do you have our trust to the extent that we would suddenly blindly follow you, as if you had been a longtime friend. Secondly, we are New Catholics who know what to think of the Jew named Jesus. We are not so stupid as those who even made Him a god, like the Greeks once did with their Hercules and other heroes of antiquity. Considering all this, you will have to come up with something better if you want to seriously lead us by the nose.” 22. Says Bruno: “Friends, the Roman Catholic faith is indeed quite silly and shallow in many regards, but the New Catholic faith is a thousand times more stupid. Does it not deny the life of the soul after the death of the body? And yet here you are, living after the death of your flesh! This by itself already tells you whose spirit New Catholicism originates from. Furthermore, not only does it deny the most evident Divinity of Christ, but also, according to the philosphers Strauss and Hegel, any Divinity at all! Who would ever hold onto such a doctrine, especially here in the eternal world of spirits, considering it came to such immensely erroneous conclusions regarding the continued life of the soul!? Such a doctrine, in all its postulates, surely shall be no more believable than its despicable presumption of the mortality of the human soul! So, if a doctrine’s fundamental axiom is false beyond compare, then the remaining aspects originating from it cannot be anything other than completely false as well! Hence, throw your New Catholic doctrine onto the rubbish heap and follow me where it is I wish to lead you! I guarantee you that you shall soon be much better off.” 23. Says the speaker: “Friend, you are a devilishly clever fellow! One has to agree with you whether one wishes to or not. From the bottom of our hearts, we apologize that we treated you so harshly and offensively before. I hope you will be able to forgive us! Remember how in Vienna, everything, be it prelate, public official, etc. was appointed to lull the population into a deep slumber, plunging the human spirit into the darkest of nights. Under such conditions it was veritably impossible to lift oneself up to a more exalted understanding of things. We are still the way we were brought up, namely blind, deaf and dumb of soul and spirit. So please, show us forbearance and patience, and lead us to where we may receive more light, in God’s name!” 24. Says Bruno: “Very well! I hope I need not prove to you that I came here with a heart most patient. I have forgiven you everything and am your best friend in truth and perpetuity. Thus, I believe there to be no further obstacle between us that would prevent us from setting off on the sole path along which it is possible to attain a living condition that brings the greatest bliss possible for both soul and spirit. And so, take courage, be of firm resolve, and follow me! For everything else, look confidently to Him who alone can and will help you certainly. He has not sent me unto you for nothing, after all. Not matter how many there are of you: Follow me, and all of you shall be helped!” 25. Say the ones in front: “There are only about twenty of us who know you through the stock exchange; but behind us are countless common riff-raff. Whether these will follow you too or not is another question entirely. It’s possible, but mostly improbable, for they are of the deepest night. Try it though! We don’t mind one way or the other.” 26. Say the many ones in the back: “We are not quite as stupid as the gentlemen in front would have you believe! That is why we shall feel free to follow you as a company of thousands! For He who will help you is surely not going to show us the door. And with all that, on we go on a wing and a prayer, for the glory of God!”

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From Hell to Heaven... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=Robert_Blum Bishop Martin in the Beyond... https://jesus-comes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Jakob-Lorber-Bishop-Martin-Sunsets-Into-Sunrises.pdf Spiritual Sun online... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=The_Spiritual_Sun Jesus' Revelations thru Jakob Lorber... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/jakob-lorber-pdfs/ Jesus' Revelations thru Gottfried Mayerhofer... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/53-sermons-of-jesus/ The Third Testament in various Languages... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/das-dritte-testament-the-third-testament-el-tercer-testamento/ LoveLetters from Jesus... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/liebesbriefe-von-jesus-love-letters-from-jesus/ Trumpet Call of God... https://awakeningforreality.com/latest-video-and-audio-letters-neuste-video-und-audio-briefe/ The Lord explains… Origin of Curse and Hell… Jesus Christ reveals thru Jakob Lorber… From Hell to Heaven Robert Blum – Chapters 29 & 30 Chapter 29 – True meaning of the text: ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones!’ – Every wicked spirit curses itself – Sin against the Holy Spirit 1. The Lord says: “If you (Robert Blum), as a sharp thinker, had merely grammatically examined those maxims from the Gospel which appear so terrible to you, then you would have immediately recognized, from the word-structure alone, that God could not and would not therewith, out of His omnipotence, have pronounced a judicial condemnation upon the so-called impenitent sinners forevermore! 2. For behold, it says there: ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones!’ (Matth. 25:41). Therefore, those subject to this command are already cursed, because otherwise the command would have to read: ‘You have always sinned before Me incorrigibly, and thus, as God, I now condemn you to the torment of the eternal hellfire!’ 3. However, if those upon whom such a sentence has been pronounced by the Divinity are already cursed, the following becomes clear: Firstly that, in this case, the Divinity does not act as a judge, but merely as a regulative shepherd, forced to strictly direct towards another path those spirits which have completely separated themselves by the power of their own will. For, otherwise, lacking any and all ties to the love of God, they would end up directly in the arms of the Omnipotence, which would truly be the end of them! 4. Secondly however, the question arises: Who did curse them? It could not possibly be the Divinity! Because if the Divinity would curse someone, then neither love nor wisdom would exist within It. If the Divinity were to crusade against Its own works, would It not, in actuality, crusade against Itself, seeking Its own ruin, instead of fortifying Itself from one eternity to another through the growing perfection of Its works: Its children! 5. Since the Divinity cannot possibly manifest as a judge out of Its Omnipotence, but only as a regulative shepherd out of love and wisdom, it is clear that the aforementioned spirits must have been sentenced by something else. But by whom? This question is easy to answer if one is sufficiently introspective to realize the following: That, on one hand, a being possesses a completely free spirit and will, originating from God’s love and wisdom, and on the other hand, to isolate it from the Omnipotence, so it may become a truly free being, for a while it must also possess a body judged by the Omnipotence, as well as an exterior, judged world with its own judged stimulants. Hence, to judge and determine can only be done by oneself. Therefore, such a free being can only ‘curse’ itself, that is, completely separate itself from the Divinity. 6. The Divinity however, not wishing to deprive even a being such as this of its freedom, can do no more than call out to the very nature of such wayward beings and, with earnest love, indicate to them the path by which they may reestablish the ties with God’s love and wisdom. Outside of this connection, no absolute freedom and, therefore, no spiritual and everlasting life is possible, because there the Omnipotence of the Divinity reigns supreme, within which only the power of God’s love and wisdom, together with the Omnipotence, can persist as the primordial life itself. Every life separated from this primordial life must perish and eternally congeal, because, by itself, it could not put up even the feeblest resistance against the endless force and power! 7. That is why it says: ‘God resides within the eternally inaccessible light!’, which is to say: God’s Omnipotence, His actual power, pervading all of infinity, is forever inaccessible to the nature of every created being, should they wish to continue existing. To sin against this power is considered highly baneful, for every conflict with God’s Omnipotence results in the death of the being! Every being which has completely separated itself from God’s love and wishes to take it up with this power, must necessarily be swallowed whole by such almightiness, and only with great difficulty would it be possible for the being to free itself, or not at all, somewhat like a mite buried beneath the rubble of the Himalayas! How would you attempt to free it?” Chapter 30 – About the rich wastrel and poor Lazarus in the beyond – Who created hell? Only the malice of the spirits 1. I continue: “You are thinking: ‘Indeed, that is all correct, if the Divinity speaks like that to those who, in their fullest freedom, have separated themselves from it, as has become their nature within themselves by their own hands. As such, this apparently horrific judgment cannot possibly be this dreadful, as first impressions might convey. But then what about the tale of the poor Lazarus and the rich wastrel, who, without any grace, is seen smoldering in the most terrible fires of hell, pleading and finding no one who would lend him an ear, and between whom and the grace of God stands an impassable abyss, across which no bridge will ever lead? What does the Divine love, wisdom and mercy have to say to that?’ 2. Dear friend, I very much knew you would bring up that question; I ask you in return, whether you can tell Me who it was that actually cast this wastrel into hell: Was is God perchance? Of such I am truly not aware. 3. Or has the wastrel, amidst his necessary torment, turned to the Divine love and grace, in order to be freed? I only know that he turned to Abraham’s spirit, and not to the Divinity! Although Abraham’s spirit is, for being a created spirit, exceedingly perfect, he nevertheless will eternally fall short of being the Divinity Itself, Who is the only one that can help. And in such cases it also acts as the impassable abyss, across which no spirits of differing natures must ever shake hands, because here are God’s most secret and deep wisdom and love at work! 4. If, however, this wastrel finds himself in great misery, is the Divinity at fault here if it was he who cast himself therein? Can injustice be done to the willing, if he desired what befell him? Speak your mind once again!” 5. Says Robert: “Yes, that is indeed absolutely correct! But if the Divinity is imbued with the greatest love, which It is bound to be, as I begin to realize more and more, then it begs the question: How could the Divinity have instituted such an agonizing place or condition, where a spirit must first bear indescribable pain before potentially nearing perfection, and thereby pass over into milder circumstances? Must there really be a hell? And must such spirits be receptive to pain? Could all this not be arranged in a less cruel manner?” 6. Say I: “Hearken, My dear friend, do you believe that the Divinity has set up hell in that way? Oh, here you are sorely mistaken! Behold, hell is the product of the evil spirits themselves, from antiquity. The Divinity has merely permitted them to do so, so It would not be interfering with their freedom. But to think that It was the One to have created a hell; no being in all the heavens could ever even remotely imagine such a thing. For if the Divinity could create a hell, then It would also have to be imbued with sin and evil, an impossibility for the Divinity, for It cannot act against It’s own eternal order. And so it is unthinkable that the Divinity, out of Itself, in the truest sense of the word, could create a hell. But It can and must allow the freest spirits to do as they wish, should they, out of their original and utterly twisted order, prepare for themselves circumstances most vile and wicked! 7. However, throughout all of infinity, nowhere shall you find a place that has been created by the Divinity to be a hell. For there is no hell anywhere but inside man himself. Should man, of his own free will, disregard God’s Word entirely and develop the hell within himself, never again turning to the simple keeping of God’s commandments; then how can the Divinity be at fault if a spirit voluntarily abandons, mocks and blasphemes against it? 8. Since solely the Divinity is the true life and the light of all lights, and as such the only complete bliss of all beings, it is then certainly understandable that there is nothing pleasant about a state of godlessness, for there can be no life, no light and no goodness without God! 9. A man who abandons The Divinity, casting It out of himself and refusing to accept It again, necessarily must create a true hell within himself, truly evil and wicked in everything. If such a godless human spirit necessarily fares quite poorly, and if he remains in this state, only becoming worse with time, then the Divinity simply cannot be blamed. For if, by way of Its Omnipotence, the Divinity were to nonetheless take over such a being, in spite of the being’s ever so stubborn resistance, then this would instantly annihilate the being, which would completely go against the Divine Order. 10. For if the Divinity were to destroy even the smallest being that had once emerged from It, then this would be the beginning of the utter destruction of all beings. The Divinity has established Its unchangeable order in such a way that no being could ever be destroyed, no matter what they might make of themselves, and thus is the everlasting existence of every being secured. Therewith too exists the possibility for every being to become an exceedingly blessed one, or to simply remain unhappy, if so desired! 11. Should someone be in the possession of a vineyard, upon which a myriad of precious vines are planted, but then the owner decides to eradicate all the precious vines, instead putting thorns and thistles in their place, finding more pleasure in such wild growths than in the simple vines; do say, is the Divinity here too to blame if this foolish owner’s wine harvest becomes null and void and he turns into a destitute and miserable man? 12. Behold, such is also the case with all spirits who will not put up with God’s order, refusing to nurture His splendid vineyard within themselves! If they then harvest thorns and thistles in place of superb grapes, can the Divinity be blamed as the author of such a disaster? Tell Me what you think!”

Text, Audio & Related Topics... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/2022/02/19/ein-kloster-im-jenseits-a-monastery-in-the-beyond/ Bishop Martin in the Beyond... https://jesus-comes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Jakob-Lorber-Bishop-Martin-Sunsets-Into-Sunrises.pdf Robert Blum... From Hell to Heaven... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=Robert_Blum Spiritual Sun online... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=The_Spiritual_Sun Jesus' Revelations thru Jakob Lorber... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/jakob-lorber-pdfs/ Jesus' Revelations thru Gottfried Mayerhofer... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/53-sermons-of-jesus/ The Third Testament in various Languages... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/das-dritte-testament-the-third-testament-el-tercer-testamento/ LoveLetters from Jesus... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/liebesbriefe-von-jesus-love-letters-from-jesus/ Trumpet Call of God... https://awakeningforreality.com/latest-video-and-audio-letters-neuste-video-und-audio-briefe/ The Spiritual Sun A Monastery in the Beyond Volume 1 – Chapters 62, 63 & 64 Chapter 62 – Visit to the Carmelites 1. You ask: Will we be allowed in? For if it is with this community as it is on earth, then we shall not gain much experience here. Dear friends and brothers, it is the same here as it is on earth, but we will not be deterred by this, for in this case we are like parasitic flies, and nothing will stop us from sticking our noses into the deepest of secrets. We shall do so here as well: We will sneak into the monastery and sniff out all kinds of things. Just come along and do not worry about a thing. 2. We shall stay invisible to these beings for a long while. For you must know that the angelic spirits, whether they are from the third heaven itself or whether they compare with those of the third heaven, stay invisible to the spirits of the lower heavens, until those spirits have taken into themselves the essence of the love unto the Lord; firstly only regarding insight and then the deeds out of love. That is why we may enter the monastery without anybody seeing us. They would not see me because I am a citizen of the holy city, and they would not see you because you are in my sphere, with the ordination of the will of the highest heaven, which is the will of the Lord. 3. Behold, we are already in the refectory, or in other words, the dining hall. Bowls with so-called “nourishment of greatest fasting” are brought in. The food is set on the tables and the sisters enter. Are they not clothed exactly as on earth? You say: We never had the opportunity to see such monastic sisters from up close, but back on earth we had seen them clothed exactly like this on images and paintings. 4. Now look, they are starting the mealtime prayer. What does it consist of? As you can clearly hear, it consists of a full rosary, some Latin expressions from the psalms and the church fathers, which are not understood by any of these sisters. Take a look, the matron is sitting down at the table. The others kneel down before her, and then they get up and stand beside their respective chairs. The matron gives the sign that they may sit down. Look there, she has with her a little bell which she rings, indicating to the sisters that they may join in. 5. You see someone else standing over there. She is not allowed to eat for now, instead she must read the Passion of the Lord to the others. The sisters have finished their meal and the matron again rings her bell. This indicates that they all must get up. They get up, they once again bow down to the floor before the matron, but then they kneel. The thanksgiving prayer is being recited, which again consists of a full rosary, followed by a hundred silent Ave Maria’s. These are prayed for about a full three-quarters of an hour, then the Latin prayers are recited again. When they are finished with all this, they go to the crucifix and lay down before it on the floor; they then go to the image of Mary and do the same; then to the image of Joseph, again doing the same; then to the image of the foundress Theresia to do the same again, and then they go to the matron, the current “incarnation” of Theresia, and do the same again. 6. Now the matron has them all get up, and she announces that they must ready themselves for the choir prayer starting in an hour. In the meantime, they must go to their assigned cells and read through their choir prayers, so the upcoming choir session may proceed without disturbances, which, otherwise, would lead to a small annoyance, and therefore, a venial sin. For, the matron adds, even the most righteous person sins before God at least seven times a day; how much more careful he must be to not sin eight times or even more. 7. One of the sisters now asks the matron for permission to talk with her about something, and since there is no prescribed silence at the moment, the matron allows her to speak (To ask something in a monastery means to speak frankly). What will this sister ask the matron? We shall listen closely to this conversation: Highly honored bride of Christ, for as long as we had lived physically upon the earth, this strict and monastic life was bearable, for it was required in order to earn heaven after death. Since, for some time already, we have exchanged the earthly life for the heavenly one, and still we are living an exceptionally strict life in this “eternal life”, without the true heaven in sight at all, the question is whether this monastic life will ever come to an end or not. It would be truly terrible to stay in this strict conclave forever. 8. The matron says: Oh, you disobedient child! How could you let yourself be taken captive by the devil like this, that you would allow yourself to ask such a terrible question? Do you not know that no one can enter heaven before the day of judgment, and that, by the intercession of the holy virgin Mary, the holy Theresia, and between them, the holy Joseph, Christ the Lord has exempted our order from purgatory, for He is the strictest of them all; He has granted us the mercy to fully purify ourselves from our venial sins, as well as the sins unto death we have committed upon the earth, even after our physical death, all so we may satisfy His most holy justice here. The rules of our exalted foundress’ order must therefore be adhered to as strictly as possible. Otherwise it might happen that a disobedient child, such as yourself, must receive the following sentence on the day of judgment, standing before the most relentless, strict and just Judge: Leave Me, you accursed one, for I have never known you as My sister! 9. Now look, these words of the matron have struck our poor enquirer like a thousand bolts of lightning, all at once. She falls down before her, pleading with her for an appropriate chastisement, upon which the matron says: Yes, you have certainly earned an appropriate chastisement, but this time I shall only reprimand you with a light slap to the face, as well as a day of fasting. However, do not tarry in immediately calling upon a confessor, so you may make the devilish and highly abominable things you have spoken to Me known to him, in detail and with much repentance. Then you shall fulfill the penitence he will lay upon you, for the honor of the holy trinity, the honor of the five wounds of Jesus Christ, the honor of His bitter passion and death, the honor of His most holy virgin and mother Mary, the honor of the holy Joseph, and for the honor of the holy Theresia, ten times. Now get up and receive my slap to your face. 10. Behold, our sister gets up, humbly turns her cheek to the matron and, as you can see, receives not a light, but a full-blown, almost dizzying slap, to drive out the devil. Our sister begins to weep bitterly, thanks the matron for this chastisement and retreats with the other sisters from the refectory to her cell. Whatever happens after this, we shall see next time! Chapter 63 – The confessing nun and the true confessor 1. As our sister arrives in her cell, she gives the porter a sign to come to her cell by ringing a bell. What will she tell her? This is merely about calling a confessor, so she may purify herself from the sin she committed against the matron before the choir prayer. The porter immediately sets up a meeting and our sister goes to the confession booth, kneels before the grating and waits for the confessor to arrive. We shall go there too and listen to this confession for a bit. We know what she must confess, but how the confessor will answer her, we do not yet know, but we wish to hear it. 2. The confessor arrives, sits down and puts his ear to the grating. She confesses, and he says to her: Listen, my dear confessant, as far as the rules of your order, as it exists on earth, are concerned, you have clearly sinned against them, but not against God’s order, for it was that very order which made you think these things in the first place; things which the order of this monastery prohibits you from thinking. For your transgression against the order of this monastery you have received the appropriate chastisement, and then you have continued to subject yourself to the matron’s commands, up until this very moment. This right here, however, is about the forgiveness of your sins from God’s side of things. God has never made monastic orders such as this actual law with His words. Human ordinances, even if they had been in use for thousands of years, were never ratified by God. He does not keep watch to see if someone, in a certain sense, transgressed worldly ordinances out of necessity. This is why there is nothing for me to forgive you from God’s side. 3. Our sister speaks to the confessor: Most honorable priest, you who sit before me upon the chair of divine justice, how could you say that our monastic order and its rules are not a divine, but merely a human institution? Look, if I were to mention this to our matron, we would both be in danger of severe punishment. I will be treated as if I am possessed by the devil, and you will be excommunicated as a true heretic, or even be anathematized. Do explain to me more clearly what it is you wish to tell me. 4. The confessor says: Listen, my dear sister, whoever loves Christ the Lord as the only true God of heaven and earth above all, is neither afraid of excommunication nor of an anathema. You see, the people on earth, clinging to worldly things and knowing very little or nothing at all about Christ, are currently laughing at such ecclesiastical high-handedness. Why is it that they laugh? Because they do not see how any damage could be done to their careers by such high-handedness. Why should those who truly love Christ not laugh? They have incurred even less damage from this high-handedness. 5. Have you never heard of what Christ once said to the adulteress in the temple, when the Pharisees brought her before Him because, according to the law of Moses, she should have been stoned? 6. Our confessant says: I know it well, but what do you want to tell me with this? 7. The confessor continues: All I want to tell you with this is that Christ is much more lenient in His judgment than the priests and scribes. They had condemned the adulteress without any mercy, compassion or hesitation, to public stoning; but Christ told them: “Whoever of you is without sin, may he cast the first stone upon her!” 8. You see, with such a statement the Pharisees and scribes had been struck as if with lightning, for there exists yet another law, according to which the highest priesthood must be free of sin. The Pharisees and scribes absolutely know of this law, as well as the one about adulterous women, but they also know that they themselves have committed adultery in every respect, both physically and spiritually. That is why they were so frightened by this exceptionally piercing answer, and all of them, without exception, completely forgot about our adulteress and quickly excused themselves. This time around they did not wish to irritate Christ any more than they already had, for they feared that He would make their disgrace known to all the faithful Jews, who would have taken hold of and treated them as the law of Moses expressly prescribed for such cases. But what happened to our adulteress? She now stood there all alone. Has the Lord condemned her? Oh no; He asks her: Have those who brought you here not condemned you? Our adulteress says: Oh no, Lord, no one has condemned me. And He said to her: “So I will not condemn you either; go and sin no more!” Now, what do you say about the Lord’s course of action here? 9. Our sister says: I cannot possibly say anything other than that the Lord truly is more compassionate and merciful that all good people on earth combined. The confessor says: Good, my dear sister, if you see the Lord thus, then you shall understand that my advice is completely valid! If the Lord’s mercy, in the case of the adulteress, did not adhere to the law of Moses, even though it originated from Him, how much less would He then adhere to any monastic rule. For you see, the Lord is completely free and can do whatever He wishes. If anyone should ask Him: Lord, what is it that you are doing? He shall give him no answer. I, as the confessor, was sent to you in His Name, and therefore I carry His Name as well. If I act according to this Name, tell me, who do I have to fear? 10. You say: Certainly not the Lord, for you have acted thoroughly in His Name! So, if I do not have to fear Him, should I then fear your monastery or the ecclesiastical authority? You see, that is by no means the case; and therefore, I tell you, if you possess a true love for the Lord, then you shall dare something out of this love; you shall now go to your matron and tell her exactly what I have told you. After that, tell her to come back here with you immediately. 11. Our sister asks what she should do as a penance for her transgression. 12. The confessor says: Nothing other than what I have just told you. 13. Our sister gets up, however, since the matron is starting to get suspicious because of the sister’s contiually increasing absence, she comes to meet her on the threshold of the little confession booth, where our sister tells her what the confessor has said. The matron nearly falls over backwards in response and proceeds to say to our sister: Behold what sin you have committed! The mercy of God has left you completely; a devil has impersonated an angel of light and has taken possession of the confession chair in the form of a confessor, all to give you this cursed teaching. He also wishes me to speak with him, so the whole monastery might be pulled down into eternal damnation because I am the soul of this monastery. Yes, in a way I saw this coming, that, at some point, you would plunge this holy house of God into misfortune. No, we have no other recourse but to mightily unite and present this great adversity of ours to the most blessed virgin Mary, to the holy Joseph, and to the holy Theresia. If these should not answer us, we will be lost, for then God will have no mercy and no compassion here! 14. Our sister speaks to the dignified woman: Highly honorable mother, you can say whatever you want, but after having received the lesson of this most worthy confessor, I have no more faith in your words and would much rather die, if it were possible, than to allow even the slightest doubt to take root within myself, in regards to the teaching of this worthy confessor. 15. Upon hearing this, the dignified matron wishes to give our sister a slap on her mouth out of pure monastic zeal. But our confessor is bold; he tears through the confession grating, for which he has sufficient power, and saves our sister from such maltreatment. Whatever will happen after this, we shall see next time. Chapter 64 – Rescue of the poor captives and the day of judgment. 1. As the matron sees this happening, immediately she makes one cross-sign after another, runs to a nearby basin containing holy water and zealously sprinkles it at the confessor and our sister. She fervently calls out to the sisters for help, and they promptly arrive, staring at the confessor, but they could not see anything devilish in him. The matron makes a large cross-sign before her, closes in on the confessor and the sister, wishing to forcefully seize them, and exclaims with a loud and shrill voice: You disgustingly hellish devil, you who have the cursed audacity to sneak into this sanctuary with lies and deceit, and in the form of an angel of light: I command you, in the name of the holy trinity, the most blessed virgin Mary, the holy Joseph and the holy Theresia, to leave this place immediately and return to your eternal damnation and hellish fire, to burn there for eternity! 2. And now behold, our confessor is not in the least bewildered by this terrible and exorcistic banishment curse, and he says: Heed this, you blind matron of this poor flock: You call me a devil and, on top of that, you have condemned me quite harshly; but tell me, what have I, your alleged devil, done to you and to this sister? 3. Matron, I have merely told this sister the full truth, completely valid as it is here in the kingdom of spirits, and I have called you here through her to further educate you in the divine truth. However, instead of listening to me, you instantly took hold of the flaming sword of judgment, so you might, if it were possible, kill this poor sister with a single blow, or even hand her over to hell. 4. I, as your devil, had mercy on this poor sister, and I rescued her from the might of your wrath; for that, however, you have condemned me to a hellish banishment. 5. If we were to compare our hearts, you and I, there would arise a great and important question to be answered: In which heart would more true brotherly love be found; in yours, which wants to belong to heaven, or in mine, which is supposedly devilish? 6. I tell you: Your rule over this poor and blind flock has come to an end. Theresia has indeed founded this order on earth, but in her time, true brotherly love was its foundation, and the most important of its monastic rules was the work of love and the essential purity of the heart. Under such circumstances this order did have the Lord’s approval; but your order, combined with the strictest rules and the many, mostly incomprehensible lip prayers, is an abomination to the Lord, and in no way acceptable to Him, especially now that your tyrannical and despotic lust for power, together with blind delusion, has crept into this place! 7. Back on earth, have you ever heard that there still exist monasteries and other monastic institutions in the spiritual realm? As far as I know, you have believed that, after the death of your body, your soul would either enter a sweet and deep sleep until the last judgment, or you would go to paradise, maybe even straight to heaven. However, if you have indeed believed this, without a shadow of a doubt, then how has this monastery come to be? 8. Behold, you are dumbfounded by this question of mine, and you do not know how to answer. This poor sister has posed the same question to you, matron. Since you were unable to give her an answer, as much as you were unable to give me one as well, you flared up with fierce wrath and gave the enquirer a dizzying slap to the face. 9. But now I tell you where this monastery comes from. It originates from your domineering character; with it, together with lies, deceit and your blind delusion, you have created for yourself and these poor sisters this institution here in the spiritual world. Therefore, this conclave is nothing but an illusionary Institution, and in no way is it pleasant to God the Lord. I have the power, even though I must appear to you as a true Beelzebub, to put an end to this institution, setting all these poor sisters free in the process. You, however, I have to leave here in this place until you would allow yourself to grow deeply remorseful, becoming aware of your spiritual error and realizing that an institution such as this is neither something good, nor does it contain any truth whatsoever. 10. So that you and all these poor sisters may come to realize that I have the power to do so, and that I have not received this power from Beelzebub, who you, matron, have sprinkled with your holy water, but that I have received it directly from God, I now make it known that this sister whom I have rescued, is none other than Theresia herself, sent by me to you, to set you free from your delusion. Next, I reveal to you that I Myself am the One who is so dearly beloved by Theresia! If you do not believe Me, lay your hands upon My scars, just like Thomas did! 11. Now behold, you, matron of this monastery, in your great blindness, have condemned Me. I possess the power to condemn you as well, but in order to show you that I am superior to your order, I shall not condemn you; instead, I shall instruct you and show you the way to Me. You cannot follow Me yet, for only after you have torn down your illusionary monastery may you do so. 12. Look at this, all the sisters now fall down onto their knees before the Lord, praising Him for His great love and mercy and pleading with Him for mercy towards their matron. The Lord says: May it be as you have asked! However, the matron still possesses her free will, and she shall continue to possess it for eternity. If she so wishes to tear down this monastery, she may come with you. However, if she wishes to keep it, I shall not take it from her, that is until after she willingly surrenders it to Me. 13. Look, the matron stands petrified before the group of sisters and does not know what she should do next, for she still sees the scene unfolding before her as a peculiar trick of the devil. The Lord says to her: What is it you are thinking? Was it not a tenet of yours that Satan would flee before the name of Jesus Christ, and that every knee would bow before this Name, in heaven, on earth, and even beneath it? So, if Satan has such an intense fear of the Name of Jesus, would he himself ever speak it then, or would he adobt the Lord’s shape? Behold the severity of your delusion! You are not yet ripe to receive the pure light, and you shall not be ripe for as long as you refuse to destroy every last stone of this monastery within yourself. 14. However, I tell you this: You have only to turn to Me if you ever wish to be freed from this your conclave. 15. You will wait for your “day of judgment” in vain, for it is always taking place, continuously, for everybody. For the loving and righteous ones, it is a day of resurrection unto eternal life; the complete rebirth of the spirit. But for those who do not accept Me in spirit and in truth, and do not wish to embrace Me with all love, for them it is a true day of judgment. 16. Now you know where you stand; adjust yourself accordingly, that is how you will reach your day of judgment towards eternal life; otherwise, the sun illuminating this day will not rise for you, not for eternities! 17. The Lord now turns to the sisters, telling them to follow Him. As you can see in the spirit, the matron finally lowers herself desperately before the Lord and pleads with Him to not leave her behind, now that she has recognized Him. The Lord says to her: Behold, here is My beloved sister Theresia; I want her to stay with you and assist you in tearing down your monastery. Theresia proceeds to help the matron onto her feet and shows her the true way to the Lord. 18. The Lord takes to the road with His innocent lambs, towards the eternal dawn! It will not take long for the Lord’s kind disciple to free her still blind sister from her conclave. However, she will not be brought into the dawn just yet, but into the midday, the second heaven. 19. You have now seen yet another kind of rescue from an erroneous spiritual place of bliss, which was, quite frankly, one of the better ones. There are still many others, though, where things are much more difficult. Next time we shall have a look at a similar situation, a male monastery. Once again it will be one of the strictest, and you shall see what kinds of troubles life there is riddled with, where a veritable flood of false principles has utterly suffocated the seed of life. 20. So, with all this in mind: May no one bind himself to anything; may the love for the Lord and one’s neighbor be his sole guiding principle. For you see, love is the good soil wherein the seed of life will thrive best; but if tares were sown first, the good seed will have difficulties growing. We shall see this clearly in the following example. With this, enough for today!

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Look, not far from us you will see a human couple. A man and a woman, and they are presently in a situation which we will be able to use very well for our purpose. We will therefore quickly go to them, to catch up with them. You ask about the relationship between them. I tell you, for our purpose they could not be anything better than what they are. This is a relationship in which the wife has died only six years before the husband. The husband mourned much about her, but after a few years he threw himself completely into the arms of religion and lived faithfully according to his accrued insights. But now he has been called away from the earth as well and has arrived here only recently. This introduction is sufficient for the time being; you will practically experience the details in spirit. 2. Now that we have fortunately caught up with our couple, you have nothing other to do than to take notice of their conversation, which will start out immediately, from which you will be able to gather everything necessary. Listen now! She currently began to ask her husband a question, saying: 3. I am exceptionally happy to see you again after such a long time and I now believe that no death will ever separate us, but tell me now as much as you can, if my last will has been properly attended to, for it is dear to my heart. 4. The man says: My above all beloved wife, for you to see how strictly your last will has been obeyed, I can only tell you that I have done, in my own last will, nothing other than to confirm yours anew. In my last will I kept exactly to yours, except for a few insignificant changes. Our whole wealth, increased by a few thousands by me, is bequeathed to our children. Are you happy with that? 5. The wife says: My beloved husband, except for the changes, completely! Tell me the amount and to whom it is given? Dear wife, says he, the amount is no more than two thousand guilders, it is divided into five parts and they are bequeathed to relatives of yours, except for one part. I had to give one part to the poor, for the sake of decency. I would not have done this if you hadn’t often insisted during your life to think about these relatives of yours. But regarding the poor, you know that one must always first do something for the sake of society and then also for God’s sake, because we are Christians and no heathens. Besides, these alms of two thousand guilders are nothing compared to our great bequeathed inheritance, for as I have finally calculated, each of our seven children gets a great amount of a hundred and fifty thousand guilders. All our children have learned to handle money frugally and you can be just as calm as I am about your bequeathed wealth. At my side you can now search for other riches which would bring us here into just as happy a life as we have lived upon earth. 6. She says: I will be content when our children are well cared for. Certainly, every child will have some money in their hands with the 2000 guilders, and it could use it to start something, so it won’t have to resort immediately to the interest of the main capital. But now that this is indeed the case, and we cannot do anything about it anymore, I must nevertheless be content with it. 7. But what you have said about another usable capital, I ask you as your still faithful and loving spouse, to let go of all your silly ideas about it; for already six years have gone by during which I have wandered in great agony and worries through this dark and lonely wilderness, while the only edible thing I could find was a kind of moss. Every now and then some sort of dry grass can be found with which one can finally fill one’s stomach. If you wouldn’t have coincidentally come exactly to this place from earth with still some glimmer about you, we would have probably never found each other. 8. He says: but my beloved wife, do you have no idea why you have come to this dark place? I think that your worldly attitude has brought you here. You were indeed very frugal and in our worldly relationships a very honorable woman, as well as exceptionally wise, but the teaching of true Christianity was often a thorn in your eye. You have often expressed yourself negatively about it and have kept more to the wisdom and philosophy of the world. I have told you often, dear wife, that if there exists a life in the beyond, I do think that worldly wisdom would not be enough; therefore it would be best to keep close to God’s word, for the temporary lasts but a short time. However, if there exists an eternity, we would have difficulty finding our way with temporary wisdom, as I have said. Look, dear wife, these were my literal words I have often spoken to you in confidence, and as I can see now to my greatest and most woeful surprise, this has come true, sadly enough. Therefore I do think, dear wife, that it is now critical for us to discuss this here, to completely free ourselves of all worldly reminiscing and to turn to our Master Jesus Christ to receive compassion and pity. For if He doesn’t help us, we will be lost forever; for I do feel in myself and know assuredly that without Christ there is no other helper in the whole of infinity. If He helps us, we will be helped; but if He doesn’t help, then we are eternally, irretrievably lost! Now I wish I would have bequeathed our wealth to the beggars and, in turn, made our children into beggars. This would have brought us more blessings here than all our worldly care for the material well-being of our children. Therefore, my beloved wife, as said, there is nothing else for us to do, because we cannot change our worldly foolishness anymore, except for us to completely and seriously turn our gaze to Christ, and expel all our thoughts and wishes, so he may forgive us our foolishness. 9. The wife says: I always thought that your religious and fanatic foolishness would bring you along to this world. What have you and I ever done wrong upon earth? Were we not always just to everyone! Have we ever stayed in debt to anyone or have we not always paid our housemaid the agreed upon salary? If some or the other God would exist, or, according to your opinion, some or the other “Christ”, then it would indeed be the greatest injustice that he would reward people like us with what we see here before us. What God would take any offense when one can have no faith in an ‘old legend’ that is riddled with nonsense and silly things. I do believe, and even a blind person can see this, that if such a God would care at all for mankind, provided that a God even exists, man couldn’t even dream of something so unreasonable, that this God himself, equipped with all his power, would have drawn close, and then only to the people of one district, even though the whole earth was already populated. 10. Tell me therefore, can God unequivocally expect for people and entire nations, that did not live in that same region, and especially not at the same time as Him, to unconditionally accept that He was the one Who started the teaching? Can God, if He exists and is just, blame them if they cannot do this? Can’t the people revolt against God, if He were to exist, and say: How can you harvest if You did not sow? If you want to judge us, you are an unjust God; But if you want to judge righteously, then judge those who saw You and to whom You have preached, but leave us alone, for we have never seen You and could never convince ourselves of Your existence. The word which was delivered to us and would have come from You cannot possibly be a judge to us, for it could just as well have been made up, and it is more likely so than otherwise. As long as we have lived on this world, we only saw the old nature; and yet, no trace of You. We came into this world as pure children of the powers of nature. People and teachers have taught us knowledge. Throughout our whole lives there was not a trace of You. Why would You now want to enforce judgment over us, even though You never wanted to give us any proof of Your existence and character? 11. Look, dear husband, this is as clear as the sun on a bright noon upon the earth. You just do not see it yet because you have been here for only a short while. When you will have been here for as long as I have, then it will become clear to you, even in this dense darkness. As proof of my love and faithfulness I say to you that you can call upon your so-called God-Christ for as long and as powerfully as you want, right here at the side of your above all beloved wife; but I guarantee you upon my love and faithfulness that you, after years of calling, will come to the clear realization that I, your always faithful and loving wife, see clearer with my natural mind than you do with your so-called godly learnedness. 12. See, An old adage says about the Bible: Oh Bible, oh Bible, you are an evil to man! And look, that adage is right. Would people upon earth have the courage to destroy that old Jewish nonsense, root and all, and put in it’s place pure human logic, the world would have progressed much faster in all it’s aspects. Yet, for some reason, this old nonsense still has to be preserved, by which the hands of the most honorable and just people get bound to the finer arts. What is the result? Just think with your otherwise good mind! Where does one find the most abominable, bad and poor people? Certainly, nowhere else than exactly there where the Bible and the new Christian teaching is predominant. Go to Rome, go to Spain, go to England and you will find my words confirmed. 13. People depend upon God and become lazy while waiting for His help! Yet, the help does not come, with the natural consequence that many people impoverish, and even if not all of them become bad, they do become a burden for the zealous and busy people. Man proclaims everywhere, saying: God is endlessly good, highly loving and exceptionally merciful; yet He would rather let every beggar starve if they would not be taken care of by their zealous fellow men. 14. Look, dear spouse: at the expense of honest, hard working and therefore wealthy people, lazy and spiritually inclined people can easily preach about an infinitely good and all merciful God. But if we would exclude these people, then we would soon see to what sullen end such sermons will come. Would these black and white screamers know how it is with life here in the beyond, they would probably preach differently, or would instead take up the profitable plow. There may exist a God in the form of a primordial power that guides the entire universe; but certainly not the kind of God the jewish Bible teaches about. 15. He says: Oh, beloved wife, you are on a dreadfully wrong path, for I read in the writings of famous theological authors about how pure, hellish spirits speak exactly like you. I can assure you that this is why you find yourself in this eternal night. Truly, I am becoming afraid for your sake! For with such principles I see you getting lost irrevocably forever! If you absolutely do not want to accept any other principles, then I feel obliged to leave you forever. 16. She says: You would be able to do such a thing to me, your faithful and eternally beloved wife? I tell you, you would not be able to do it, even if you would be damned to hell! I would not want to abandon you in the fire, but you would want to leave me because of my wise words? You are free to explain your opinions to me, but they should not be any nonsense, for I love you too much to let you travel on the wrong track. Instead, follow me, I want to bring you to a better place than here, where, in greater company, you would get to know how it is here with people. 17. He says: My dear wife, I do not want to leave you, for I love you way too much, and because of that I will follow you wherever you would take me, for I can see that you are still very honest in your heart, despite your ignorance regarding true religion. You still are my good wife against whom I still have nothing to object, except for the fact that you do not share my insights. Now, if you would know of a place in this kingdom of darkness, take me there, then we will see what can be done there. Look, she takes his arm and leads him along, but we will follow this interesting pair, to be witnesses of the success of this relationship. They’re off and we follow them. Chapter 36 – The couple and the lying spirit 1. You should not be surprised if your eyes are going to be challenged somewhat this time, for we are moving north, to where it becomes increasingly darker. However we will nonetheless have sufficient light for ourselves, so that nothing will escape us. 2. Do you not yet hear something in the distance? You say: We indeed hear something, but it is much different from a human voice; it rather sounds like the rattling of wagons in the distance. It also sounds like the thunderous noise of a great, distant waterfall. You ask what this means. Let us follow our couple, then we’ll soon get to the bottom of it. 3. Can you not yet discern something vaguely reddish, a glimmer, like from a softly glowing iron? Look in that direction, for there an important scene is awaiting us. 4. Listen, it is coming closer and the peculiar noisy rattling is changing more into natural and raw human voices. But now we shall stand still, for the multitude is moving right up here, and as you see, our greatly loving vanguard has come to a standstill as well. 5. Look how fearful he is because of what is coming and retreats in his great anxiety and fear. She grabs him by the arm, though, and pleads to him with all that is dear to her, to only listen and stay with her this one time, for this is exactly the fortune she has predicted, which he needs to get acquainted with, to convince himself whether she is right or wrong. 6. He asks her what even is approaching them that seems so horrible. She says to him: What it is, what it is?! Many deep thinking people they are, whom you will soon clearly see with your own eyes and clearly hear with your own ears. 7. And now look, he is content with this and awaits the approaching, deep thinking group. See, the great company is almost here. Our couple approaches them out of decency. We should do the same as well, even if it is not out of decency, but for another purpose. 8. Look, they now meet and greet each other with the greatest possible courtesy, so we will go closer too so we don’t miss anything. 9. As you can see, from the middle of the group a gaunt and emaciated manly figure closes in on our couple. The wife receives him with exceptional tenderness and benevolence. The husband bows deeply before this manly figure as well. 10. The manly figure says: Highly esteemed lady, it pleases me greatly that the special fortune of calling you one of us has befallen me once more, for with your mind and your exceptionally amiable demeanor, you are greatly honoring our company and indeed give us the most beautiful adornment. Well, my dear lady, if you have anything on your ever so tender mind, it would be the greatest bliss if you would entrust such a sweet concern of your heart to me. 11. She says: My highly appreciated and above all honored friend, you see, this man here at my side, is my tenderly beloved earthly spouse. He has acted exceptionally just, good and profitable in every way upon earth , that I can say in all earnest that our marriage was truly an ecstatic one. After all, what more can a woman ask for in her marriage, than to have a husband that fulfills all the desires of the female heart? In this regard, I would, with the exception of a few trifle things, have no objections. 12. But now comes an important issue, something we could never reach a compromise over and because of which there was often discord between the two of us. I will explain to you the reason for this discord as well as a woman can, and you, my above all honored friend, would certainly be so kind as to whisper a few words to my husband, which would surely completely heal him. 13. The figure says: Oh please, please, my highly esteemed lady, you are much too kind! I give you the assurance that it would be a great honor and bliss to me if I could tell myself that yours truly had been able to serve such a fair lady. Therefore, I ask you to entrust the issue that has been on your mind to me. She says: Oh, my greatly appreciated friend, you are much too good and modest, this is exactly what inspires so much trust in me, that I will withhold nothing from you; and so, be so kind and listen to me. 14. See, regarding this fatal issue I can candidly say that my otherwise good and loveable husband is a Bible-fanatic, and as such a Christ-fanatic as well. The reason however, why he had thrown himself into the arms of this laughable sect, is because he grew up poor. As such this old beggar’s philosophy was ingrained into him since the crib, as it is usually the case with the poor class. But how difficult it becomes over time to remove this nonsense, which was nursed into him with the mother’s milk and thus became his own flesh, you greatly honored friend, surely know even better than I do. With this beggar’s philosophy my otherwise greatly-appreciated husband has also ended up here in this kingdom where the primordial powers of nature rule, as you have kindly explained to us multiple times already, but it just doesn’t get through to him! He is still attached to his Christ and even wants to pry himself off of me in order to search for this surely nowhere-to-be-found Christ. Now, my learned and highly honored friend, I have briefly presented my problem to you, and for that reason I ask you, in this regard, to kindly take care of my poor husband! 15. The figure says: Oh, if it is nothing else, we will easily and quickly take care of it in this realm of the utterly naked truth. Now the figure turns to the husband, offers him a hand and says: But dear friend, are you serious about what your lovely spouse has just bemoaned to me about? 16. The husband says: My highly esteemed friend, I must honestly admit that I truly do not believe that we will ever find a consensus regarding this subject, no matter how dear my spouse is to me, for no matter how things will go, I am firmly resolute to cling to my faith in Christ forever! I am also absolutely convinced that this Name has often given me much consolation and still is my infallible and lucky guiding star. If I Have ever set foot on a wrong track, it was solely because I did not hold on to Christ with steadfastness. However, once I had turned again towards Christ I wasn’t rarely helped through an almighty stroke of magic! 17. You, as a thinking and wise man, can therefore see for yourself that it would be quite unreasonable of me to distance myself from such a benefactor, especially now that I need Him the most, as it seems to me. Therefore, esteemed friend, do not exert any effort for my sake, for I assure you that you will achieve nothing with me. I’ve been a foolish slave of the charm of my wife for long enough. After her passing I have learned in Christ my Master to go on without her, and I hope that she will not influence me here anymore, especially because the marriage with my former wife has ceased to be due to the death of her body. Should she want follow me, she will nonetheless always stay valuable and beloved to me, but I will never give up Christ for her sake, even if she were to drag me down into any kind of hell with all her might! If she is content with me being around her, unhindered and together with my Christ, then I do not want to sever the old ties of love I have with her, but if she won’t accept it, then I have just spoken my last words in her presence. 18. The figure says to the man: Dear friend, I have listened patiently to you from beginning to end and I can, in all earnest, say nothing else about your words than that I deplore them sorely. For you to know with whom you are dealing (here the figure is taking refuge in a lie), I tell you that I am the great teacher Melanchton, about whom you certainly must have heard something on earth! The husband says: Oh yes, but what do you want to say with that? The figure says: Esteemed friend, nothing else but the fact that I would know better what Christ is than you would, for I have worked until the very last hour of my existence, with exceptional zeal, in the so-called Christian vineyard and I would certainly have even died, if necessary, for the sake of Christ. I have not only rid the Roman teaching, but also the purer teaching of Luther of all vestigial burdens; I had lived literally according to the word of this teaching and what was the result? This, my esteemed friend, I do not need to explain to you with many words, for one glance of you at my entire being will show you the result of my faithful and quintessential Christianity. I do not need to tell you more. Let it therefore be according to the old “experyetia docet” [no substitute for experience], and I am convinced that we, if everything goes well, will meet once again after one hundred years, exactly the way we are facing each other right now. You, my friend, are still an utter novice here and do not know how one lives in the kingdom of the central primordial powers. When you will have been chased around and starved by this eternal night for a few decades, then certainly more solid and practical insights would find more room in your head, now deprived of all worldly foolishness. 19. The man says to the figure: Most esteemed friend, if you are in possession of so much well-founded knowledge on this field, let me hear it. I am not averted to listening to you, but I will nevertheless stay true to my conviction, if your stance on this subject won’t convert me. 20. The figure says: Good, my friend, first I want to draw your attention to the fruits that Christianity has actually bore on earth. The Romans were a great people as long as they remained in their Godly teaching of reason and sanity. All their work was great and full of wise meaning. Their principles of justice are still the basis of all state and national judicial laws, but when Christianity sneaked in, death sneaked in together with it into the great Roman nation. And now, in place of the once greatest and most heroic nation, lazy and indolent priests, a lot of miserable rabble and a great number of thieves as well as robbers lurk along the roads with rosaries in hand, where no pedestrian has assurance to his life anymore. See, this is the fruit of the garden of Christianity! Take a journey through beautiful Spain and look at this nation of old, and then look at it again in the Christian middle ages; it would not escape your gaze how, through pure Christian blessing, thousands upon thousands have bled and yet more thousands upon thousands have burnt to ashes upon flaming stakes, taking their last breath in doubt! Look at the touching implementation of Christianity under Carl the Great, how he let thousands and again thousands jump over the cutting edge of the sword because of this blessing! Journey from there to America; look up their history and you will see countless examples of the most pitiable and sorrowful fruits of the Christian blessings that took place there! Go from there to my time and look at the blessed atrocities of the thirty-year religious war. You can go through the ancient histories of all nations and peoples, and I will be obliged to carry you in my arms forever if you are able to point out similarly gruesome scenes to me. 21. I do not want to focus your attention on the multifarious blessings of Christianity of other times, instead I would like to let you see the conditions of other current peoples that do not yet know of Christianity, like the almost eternally peaceful Chinese and other significant nations in Asia, as well as those of not yet discovered islands. You would need to blind three times over if you can’t, at first glance, see the difference between Christianity and the true wisdom of the older, more experienced nations. But I tell you that all these unfortunate and harmful deficiencies of Christianity, or more so of the new Judaism could be glozed over if one would say: these historical facts are indeed all true, but Christ did not teach them, and so he cannot possibly be blamed for all the horror that the spreading of His teaching has brought with it, for His teaching was, in fact, pure and especially humane. Dear friend, this is certainly quite plausible and is indeed the reason why I was a zealous defender of Christianity during my whole life upon earth. But only here did I learn of the true poison for the nations in this teaching, and it is the obvious advertency to laziness and indolence. Man, having an inborn inclination towards laziness, finds the best defense for this inclination in this teaching, for it is clearly taught to him to do nothing other than to search for a certain spiritual kingdom, where the roasted birds would fly into his opened mouth. You see, various sages were convinced after quite a short while that nothing would come of these roasted birds. They therefore reached out to other means, namely, the trusty old sword, left the christianized people in their blindness and then served them roasted birds with sword in hand. My friend, consider this outcome as you like, you will impossibly reach another conclusion, despite all the higher, spiritual experiences one gains here, regarding Christianity, in a purified condition after the passing of many centuries, like in my case. My esteemed friend, I am done now and you can do what you want. By the way, be assured of my high esteem and my friendship; it would be my pleasure to meet you again after a few centuries. Look, he takes his leave and moves on with the whole company and our couple is left behind, alone. The effect of this ‘superb speech’ and the exceptionally humane instruction we will experience next time. Thus, enough for today. Chapter 37 – Weakness of the husband. The wife’s journey to hell. 1. Look, the company has vanished completely, but our couple is still standing on the same spot, deep in thought. She asks him: “Well, beloved husband, what do you think of this?” He says thoughtfully: My dear wife, there is not much to say here anymore. Either the speaker is right, the issue is settled and no one should say anything about it anymore, or he is wrong and I stay with my principles and there is still no more to say. Whether he is right or not is not to be determined so quickly, instead my own experience will decide after some time. 2. She says: But dear husband, do you think of your faithful wife and this worthy man as liars because you do not readily want to believe his convincing words? Look, people are only inclined to lie and deceive each other if they were to gain something for themselves by doing so, but tell me, what kind of benefit can lies and deceit give someone here? Here is indeed nothing to gain, nor to lose, but one thing is for sure: a company always has it worse regarding the satisfaction of it’s stomach than someone wandering through this endless region alone. A single person can quickly find enough edible moss or grass to fill his stomach in case of emergency, but if there are more it won’t be easy for them with just one patch of moss than it would be for a single person. 3. You ask me what I want to say with this? My most beloved husband, nothing other than that neither I nor this insightful man want to convince you to let go of your Bible faith for our own benefit, for if we should go about our separate ways, we would both profit, for each would be able to navigate more easily on his own on this meager surface, than two would do together. If we would’ve wanted to lie to you or deceive you, then we would have left you to your principles and you would have gone away as a consumer due to your principles. We certainly do not want to lie to you, nor deceive you, but we have shown you the pure truth, of which no mortal upon earth could have even dreamt, and even less such a staunch Bible and Christ fanatic like you. What do you still want to think about? Come to your senses and follow me, your eternally loving wife. If you didn’t listen to me on earth, then at least listen to me here in the kingdom of the naked truth, where I am six years worth of experience ahead of you. Look, everything on earth is ridden with deceit because everybody benefits from it, or at least thinks to gain something, but here, all winning came to an end; all lies and deceit fall away automatically. Believe me, nothing but my love binds me to you; this is the only gain I have from you. But if you still want to cling to your old and insignificant principles in folly, this will nullify my one benefit I had from you. We can therefore only be happy if our insights and feelings would mutually completely concur. If we cannot create this harmony, I must honestly acknowledge that I would be happier without you than with you at your empty side. I am not able to say anything more to your advantage, only the following: Because I truly love you and always have loved you, I have done everything possible to prove my eternal, solemnly promised love and faithfulness to you, but you have never loved me, you are willing to leave me forever for the sake of your love for your folly. Now choose what you are going to do. 4. Look, the man begins to scratch behind his ears and after a while says to his wife: My dear wife, I have gathered from your words that you really love me. This I can impossibly deny, but I cannot understand, if, in this dark spiritual world, nothing is to be gained or lost by either truth or lies, why would you then try to senselessly force a certain truth upon me, with which just as little can be gained than with my so-called alleged false teaching, according to you and your learned man! Therefore, I believe, if your love for me would really be as intense as you just indicated to me, you could just as well follow me as I could follow you, except if you have already found something better in the path of your truth. In that case, I would indeed want to follow you to convince myself of the reality of your truth. If this is not the case, then it is of no consequence where to we go. 5. I keep thinking: We did live upon earth as so-called Christians, have read the gospel, but never really lived according to it. We lived and acted according to our own insights and to our own benefit, but of an active practice of the teaching of Christ nothing was present, neither with me and even less with you. 6. Look, the teaching says: “Love God above all and your neighbor as yourself”. Have we ever done that? If I ask my heart, then it answers spiritually true that the love of God has stayed utterly foreign to it. You, however, never believed in a God, and therefore your heart would be even more devoid of love than mine. 7. Furthermore it says in the word of the gospel: “Whoever wants to enter the life with Me, take up your cross and follow Me!” Tell me, dear wife, when have we ever done something like this upon earth? I never carried a cross and you even less so; our entire cross consisted of nothing but purely worldly financial worries. 8. And again furthermore is written in the gospel, that the Master said to the rich youth: “Sell all your earthly goods, distribute them among the poor and follow Me, then you will inherit the eternal life.” But what did the great Teacher say to the youth, or rather to his apostles after he distanced himself from the Master in tears, owing to the Master’s statement? Look, these words were full of meaning, and as it appears to me, we are now living the exact sad meaning of these words, which goes as follows: “It would be easier for a camel to squeeze through a pinhole than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven!” 9. It also says in the scripture that the Master has invited many guests to a festive banquet and that the invited could not find the time to attend, due to their worldly affairs. Tell me, were we not invited as well once upon a time, and did we give heed to this invitation? Well, my dear wife, we have only ourselves to blame for the circumstances we are finding ourselves in, in this place of utter darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, and of which the Master once said that precisely people like us would end up here. 10. Because there is no faith in the Master to be found here, and your honorable company has spoken with just as much denial about Him as you have, I believe they find themselves here for the very same reason we do. If the great love and mercy of Christ will not help us, I am convinced that all eternities, filled with melancholic truths, will not be able to help us terribly much either. 11. For that matter, if you have found something better according to your alleged truth, then I would like to follow you there, as I said before, to show you that I also love you and will not force any of my principles upon you like you have forced your so-called truths upon me. 12. The wife says: You can talk as much as you like, in the end I am the one who’s right. I cannot assure you that I have already found something better, but I am nevertheless of the opinion that, if you would follow me, we would indeed, in not much time, find a place where there will be abundant light. For look, here to our right I have once walked straight along for quite some time, according to the feeling of my inner truth, and I eventually reached a broad river. On the other side of the river I noticed a mighty mountain range, and behind the mountains arose a light, like that of an early morning. If it is possible to cross the river I’m convinced one would find a lighter environment than this one. 13. The husband says: Well, I will follow you; lead me to it. – And we will now follow them, for you need to see the unraveling of it all! Chapter 38 – In the first level of hell 1. You say: Dear friend! We follow the couple as they go forth before us for quite a while already, still just as blind and silent as the night itself, and look, there is still nothing to be seen of the morning red behind the mountains of which the wife spoke. Where is it then? Would the wife really have lied to her husband? I tell you: Have a bit more patience, then you will see the praise-worthy morning red soon enough. Take notice of our pair, how the wife is becoming ever more joyful, but the husband, in contrast, becomes more sorrowful and somber. 2. You ask: Why? The answer is obvious: She is getting closer to the element towards which her love is focused; therefore, she becomes happier, but it is the opposite case for him. He is getting closer to an element not related to him, he is not drawn by his love, but is dragged along by the love for his wife. 3. It goes with him almost like the lover in the old tale about the love for the beautiful Siren. As long as the lover would observe the enchanting Siren, he was elated. To be embraced by such a beloved seemed to him like the pinnacle of all happiness. When he did approach his beloved and when she embraced him with her soft arms, dragging him down into her element, the initial fantastic enchantment vanished and a great fright and fear of death enveloped him. 4. Look, this is exactly the case here. The husband notices that it is gradually getting darker. Such an increasingly impenetrable night is not his element, but the wife feels more and more satisfied the darker it becomes because the utter darkness is the element of her love and therefore also of her life. But now you can also hear a muffled noise, almost like that of a great, distant waterfall. 5. You ask what it means? I tell you: Nothing other than that we have come rather close to the bordering river, which we already came to know through our visit to the northern region. Let us go there courageously, then we will reach the riverside quickly. You ask again about the previously mentioned morning red behind the mountains, which is still not in sight. Have a bit more patience. When we will have reached the riverbank, which is already quite close as you can gather from that growing noise, you will probably be able to see the morning red in the distance behind the mountains. Pay attention and watch the ground, for, in just a few steps, we will reach the riverbank. 6. Stop now; we have reached our goal and look, there beside the river, there far away in the background, you can see a very strong, red glow, looking like a distant, great fire. Now, pay attention again to our couple’s conversation. She says: Well, my dear husband, what do you say, was I right or not? Look at that beautiful morning red and here at the broad river. What shall we do now to get to the bright region? Look, we cannot cross the river, but we can indeed walk along the riverbank. It becomes increasingly lighter as you can see with your own eyes, and in time we shall certainly reach that bright region. 7. The husband says: My dear, most appreciated wife! It seems as if something is amiss with this light. Regarding the dawn, this red glow does not seem to have anything in common with it. To my eyes, it does not look like a glow coming from the sun, but much more like that of a burning city behind the mountains. I do doubt that there is, in fact, a burning city here, but that something is indeed burning, is certainly beyond suspicion. I, therefore, want to go with you until we get a proper view of the fire, but no further, for one cannot know whence it originates, and it is therefore always sensible to stay far away, for one should preferably stay out of an environment he does not know and which is not related to his nature. 8. She says: What kind of utter nonsense you now sputter! Only now does one see how dumb you really are; but where does this come from? I tell you, only because, upon earth, you didn’t much care about what relates to the effects of the primordial powers of nature, making you now incapable of explaining these phenomena. Secondly, you have been here only for a very short while, and you have had way too little opportunity to observe such phenomena and let yourself be educated about them by the sages of this region. But look, there are two men walking along the riverbank, approaching us. Let us go to meet them; I am convinced that you could profit much by engaging in a conversation with them. The husband says: Yes, dear wife, I’ve always been a great friend to men in possession of much knowledge. Why would I not be? 9. But now I tell you: Pay good attention. The husband greets the bigger and the more imposing of the two very courteously. The man stiffly bows and asks the husband: What has shown you vermin of the night the way from the darkness to the domain of the light? 10. The husband says: Most respectable friend, I have only arrived here in the deep night a few days ago, but my wife has been here already for about six years. She knew nothing of this light domain; I also knew nothing, but I only feel a great yearning towards light, so much so that nothing else remains for me than to let me be led here, as a most inexperienced person, by my more experienced wife. Therefore you would not regard it as a transgression, my most respectable friend? If anyone did wrong, then it could obviously only have been my wife. 11. The stranger says: And you dare to acknowledge this here, as a man? Truly, you do not seem to be something significant, for men who need the guidance of their wifes are on the same level as apes to us. Then the stranger turns to the woman and says to her: Has this really been your work, my most amiable and lovely lady? She says: Oh, respectable friend, I indeed must acknowledge to my shame that he, my otherwise truly loving husband, would probably prefer to eat the moss and dry grass in the thickest darkness out of a purely idiotic and insignificant love for the to you well-known Jewish philosopher, than to walk the way of the light as it was suggested not only by me but also by the exceptionally wise, to you well-known scholar, who calls himself Melanchthon. 12. The stranger says: O very estimable and loveable lady, I truly have sincere compassion for you, but on the other hand, I also admire your strength, the inherent power with which you are so untiringly busy to bring such an awkward man onto the right path. Most loving and worthy lady, do not blame me if I would, in this increasingly brighter time, jump out of my skin out of anger for that old Christian-Judean philosophy. Yes, it seems even more dumb and stupid to me than when one would resolve to stay true to a terribly old-fashioned dress, while the whole world around him has long ago seen the benefits of the new clothing and has accepted it unconditionally. 13. Now the stranger turns to the husband, and says to him: Is this indeed true, what your truly wise wife has said about you? 14. Look, the husband is a bit puzzled and does not immediately know what to answer this man who seems incredibly erudite to him. He does not want to let go of Christ and it seems not advisable to say something about Him in the presence of this man who seems to be so mighty and learned. 15. But the learned stranger again turns to him and says: Yes, my dear friend, if this is the case with you, then you are a tax free man. Do you understand me? The husband says: No, I do not know what you mean. The stranger says: It does not surprise me anymore. Regarding the ‘tax free’, it was already the custom with the old, wise Romans and Greeks that one should not charge the crazy and the foolish. Even in this time, one gives to men like you the honorable diploma of foolishness without cost, by which you could easily be taken into a well-provided madhouse. This should not be unknown to you, for, as far as I know, you were experienced in management and state affairs. Do you understand what I mean? 16. The husband says: Alas, I must understand it, but I am also at liberty to pose a question to you. Who gives you, with all your erudition, the right to treat me so crassly, while I, in fact, approached you with particular courtesy, almost like, on earth, an utterly haughty pedant would do to a dumb and miserable student? The stranger says: Listen, dear friend, the fact that I have treated you only somewhat gruffly was a special courtesy from my side, which you received thanks to your sound wife. Otherwise I would have treated such a dumb Christian simpleton as yourself differently, and such a treatment would have probably eternally bereaved you of your longing for a brighter region. But when you are open to reason, take your wife’s side and give me the assurance that you repent for your old and worldly stupidity, which caused you to come into this darkness. Only then will I bring you – and take note, only because of your wife – close to that bright place, to an educational institution where you will, if you are not of a slow mind, come to a better understanding. 17. The husband says utterly dumbfounded and humble: Dear, esteemed friend, if this is so, then I ask you to take me there. On earth I have always belonged to the best students and I will certainly not be the worst in your school. 18. The stranger says: Good, I will accept you, but be aware that you must leave the school immediately in case of bad results, and you will be sent back to your original night. But should you be an outstanding student, then your deserved acknowledgment would not be withheld from you. But regarding your old Christian-Judean philosophy, I do recommend not to speak much of it in this exalted school, for this will result in you being chased out right away. Such is an adverse sign, for fanatics are not suitable for the study of serious and higher sciences; only sober and dispassionate thinking can be applied there. 19. The wife now sinks to her knees before the erudite man and thanks him anew ,with the most flattering words, for such an exceptional favor. The erudite man answers her: Yes, yes, my esteemed, beloved lady, you are the only one in a thousand, yes, a million inhabitants of this nightly region whom he owes this to. Therefore, follow me! 20. Look, the wife grabs her husband’s arm, follows the erudite man and says to him while walking: Well, what do you say now? I hope you will now realize that things work much differently here than you would have ever dreamt of on earth. The husband says: Dear wife, this is indeed obvious and clear, but if these relations are actually good and useful, only the future will tell. Between ourselves, this whole situation still seems rather suspicious to me; but only time will tell what will become of this. 21. In a text of the honorable apostle Paul it says: Examine all and keep the good things. This I will do here as well, but deep in my heart I do think that there is not much good or no good at all to be expected from this strange trial. This increasingly intense light, which seems to me as if one is approaching a burning city, is not really suited to illuminate the good. But as said, it is all subject to examination. Look there, further down along the river, how in the distant background it almost seems to glow, and how the waves almost dissipate into an incadescent haze. It seems as if we are approaching a sea of fire that consumes this river. 22. The wife says: Yes, my dear husband, here it is all about getting to know the powers at hand in their foundation, and it certainly looks much more magnificent than with a pathetic student who studies a Roman author in the dim sheen of a night lamp upon earth. 23. Look, a boat is moored here at the riverbank. The leader says: If you want to follow me to your greatest fortune, step into the boat with which we shall sail downstream to the exalted realm of the light. 24. The wife steps into the boat very quickly, but the husband hesitantly scratches himself behind the ears and does not know what he should do. But to not stay behind, and again for the sake of decency, he steps into the boat. The boat gets untied, and we see how it shoots downstream like an arrow from a bow. But now we will go quickly as well, for we are as fast as the vehicle and can be even faster if need be. 25. We have reached the boat. Look how the water down there is glowing with increasing intensity until where the river flows into a broad cleft in the mountain. Let us therefore advance beyond the mountain and wait for our boat at the outflow of the river. Do not be afraid, for we are untouchable here as well; all the horrors you will see there cannot harm us. 26. Look, we are there already. You are quite frightened here because you see the river as a broad, glowing waterfall, thundering down into a deep, endless sea of flames, and you ask what it means. 27. I tell you: This is the aforementioned ‘exalted school’ where our poor husband will get to know the fundamental workings of the primordial powers, but actually, this is the first level of hell! 28. Now look down at the river; our boat is arriving. The husband gets up, throws his hands upwards and tries to jump off the boat, but the wife throws her arms around him and holds on tight, and look, the boat, together with the four of them, plunges over the edge, right down into the exalted school! 29. You ask: do we need to go down there as well? I indeed told you beforehand that you need to see everything until the end, otherwise you would only know half of what such a bond of twofold love in a heart signifies. Do not be afraid of these flames, for they are nothing but an apparition of the hellish. Once we are there it will look much different. Follow me then, without fear. Chapter 39 – Where are heaven and hell? 1. You say: It really goes down steeply and the road passes over so many cliffs and steep slopes! Yes, yes, my friends, it only seems like this to you; but to those whose being corresponds to this place, it seems like a broad and easily passable path. Let us proceed with courage; it won’t be long before we will reach the sea of flames. 2. Look down there, how the flames begin to vanish gradually, and you can see many spots filled with embers, but with no flames above them. But you ask: Do we have to cross over those embers? I tell you: Do not worry about it, for all of this is just an apparition conveying the state of mind of those living down there. The ‘flame’ signifies the activity of evil, the ‘fume’ rising from the flames connotes the fundamentally wrong, and the ’embers’ denote the utter self-love and the resulting arrant zeal, as well as the depraved will of those living in such a self-love. But how it will all work out here, you will see soon with your own eyes. 3. Now look down once more; what do you see now? You say: The flames have all but vanished and the embers have gathered in heaps; but between the heaps we can see the densest night. You ask again… Where is the river that we saw ever so brightly thundering down? This river was also nothing but an apparition and denotes the inclination of the false and how it leads into evil. So this abyss also connotes the depth of evil and how it concocts cunning and well-considered plans to execute its evil scheme. 4. Now that you know this we shall approach it courageously, to reach our goal as soon as possible and get to our company as well. Only a few steps remain, und look, we are already there, and therefore in the utter depths. You see nothing here, for the darkness is so immense that you would never be able to behold anything with the light of your eyes. For this reason it will be necessary here to create as much light as possible, enough for us to see something, but none of those around us must become aware of our light, you must cling tightly to me and not approach the sphere of any spirit, unless I specifically allow you to do so. 5. And now look, we already have enough light to actually take a look at this place. What do you notice? – You say in a febrile state: For the sake of the almighty and all merciful God, what a ghastly place this is! We see nothing but black sand and black debris that makes up the floor of this place; and from between the sand and debris it occasionally steams forth, in a way we have often witnessed on earth when the coal was burning. You ask further: Where are the creatures? This region looks utterly barren. Yes, my dear friends, even this is nothing but an apparition and indicates “death”! – But do not trouble yourselves with the emptiness of this place; for you will soon see more than enough of it. 6. Look, there is something to behold not far from us, something like a large pyre as you’ve known them upon earth. We will approach it and you can soon convince yourselves of what it is made of. Now look, we are close enough; observe it more closely. What do you see? You say again: But for the sake of the almighty and just God! What is this? These are a bunch of people stacked on top of each other, and on top of that they are chained to the floor with incredibly strong shackles, so much so that no one would be able to move even an inch. If that is indeed the case here, then it doesn’t look all too good for the expected, eternally persistent freedom of the spirit. 7. Yes, yes, my dear friends, right now it does indeed look like that, when we observe it with our heavenly light. But for that reason it is also just an “apparition” that corresponds to the truth of the situation. Basically this apparition denotes how a company is held captive by its own fundamentally wrong basis and the resulting evil. But let us move along and leave this pyre! Look up, ahead is an even bigger heap. – You say: Dear friend, this is the same thing as before; the only difference is, that the heap is now in a cone shape, and a lot of chains have been thrown onto it, with which these creatures seem to have been pressed together, so much so that their bodies have been flattened. But we cannot make out any faces, and how they look like, because all these beings are oriented towards the ground. You ask: Dear friend, does our group from earlier now also reside within this heap? No, my dear friends; we will get to them too. – And now that we have seen everything here we will again move forward. 8. Look, far away from us we can see a literal mountain; now that we are once more close enough you may observe it a bit. What do you see? – You say again: For the sake of the almighty and just God, what is that?! Once again there are a lot of human creatures stacked on top of each other, below chains and bars; and between them are a multitude of snakes staring out in every direction with their hideous eyes, hissing an awful lot. What does this mean? – It symbolizes a company that has more and more converted from its false into evil. – But let us move along from here. Look, not far from us is an entire mountain range that would be difficult to behold in its entirety with just one glance, but that will not be necessary; for one spot more or less speaks for all of it. Here is a foothill of this mountain range; look at it more closely and tell me what you see: We see nothing but gagged monstrosities of all kinds; only here and there does a crushed ribcage of a human corpse poke out. What does all of this mean? – Such a thing denotes the purest self-love and is the apparition of worldly might, greatness and wealth, when such attributes are used for selfish and evil purposes upon earth. 9. But you ask again: But dear friend, knowing full well that we currently reside within your sphere and basically upon the spiritual sun, where we imagined to be nothing but heavenly things; how come now that we encounter all of hell itself as well? – Yes, my dear friends, weren’t you told by the Lord himself after crossing over into the spiritual sun, that the spiritual is a most internal, an all permeating and an all encompassing thing? So if that is the nature of the spiritual, as such it penetrates all the planets and the entire sphere, as far as the light of the natural sun itself reaches; and purely spiritually speaking eternally farther. Therefore you currently don’t reside in the sphere of the spiritual sun, but actually in the peculiar sphere of your own planet, and however all the planets receive the light and warmth of the actual sun and how its effect penetrates them, it is the same case for the spiritual sun, since we see through the spiritual of its planets from atop the wings of its spiritual rays. Now that we know this it will hopefully be clear to you that one can vividly see the spiritual being of hell, regarding your planet, upon this spiritual path. 10. You must not picture heaven and hell being spatially distant from one another, only distant in condition. Spatially speaking heaven and hell can be found right next to each other, for a heavenly good person can walk right next to a hellishly bad one and even sit next to him on the same bench. One has a perfect heaven within himself, and the other a perfect hell. To prove this I could immediately let you see this here in my own sphere, how heaven can be located within, just as well as hell could; for you see all of this only within my sphere anyway, and you only have to take a single step out of my sphere to find yourselves at the exact same spot, where you originally entered my sphere. Since you now know this we can move on from this mountain again and observe everything from another light. 11. Now pay attention, the light has changed. How do you perceive this mountain now? You are astonished that instead of seeing the mountain you see freely moving groups, as well as various dwellings, some of them similar to filthy pubs or old and black knightly castles; and look, everything is engulfed in a reddish twilight. 12. But look, not far from us stands an old knightly castle, seemingly built against the rocky mountain: and there we will go. Look, we are already there; the gate is open. We are invisible here, and thus we will enter this castle, then we shall see what is going on within. Now, here is already the first hall. On the walls hang all kinds of murder and torture instruments, and over there in the background, on a throne, sits the so-called lord of the castle, and he confers with his henchmen, to decide on their strategy for robbing the goods and treasures of the owner from the similar, neighboring castle. Listen how he instructs them to raid the targeted castle in complete silence, to kill everyone living there mercilessly and take hold of the treasures. Those who should stubbornly resist would be taken captive, and as was often the case before already, they would be subjected to the most painful of tortures. Well, the decision has been made and the meeting concluded. Everyone grabs their weapons and runs outside, and because we have nothing more to do here, we shall run after them. 13. Look, there not far from here is the previously discussed castle. It is being surrounded, and now look, the terrible slaughter begins. These evil beings are fighting fervently against each other, resulting in the inhabitants of the second castle being cut to pieces. Keep on watching; the henchmen of the previous lord are bringing forth our established quartet, having been gagged. Let us join them and listen to the dialogue. Hear this, the husband says to the wife: Oh you miserable snake, now I see through you! My bitter suspicion has always whispered to me what a wretched spiritual child you are! This is the exalted school and your pathetic light which you have cunningly feigned to me and lied to me about as some kind of highly experienced spiritual being. This villainous professor of this exalted school is now chained and gagged together with us in this abhorring captivity, from which we can be sure to expect the most horrible fate. 14. The wife says: How can you think of me like that? Who can do anything about unforeseen bad luck? I only meant well for you. The husband says: Be silent, you miserable snake! I have to thank only you for the fact that I am obviously finding myself in hell. Every bond between me and you shall now be severed forever. And You, My Jesus, whom I have always called upon, help me out of this terrible captivity. I would rather want to, if it is your most holy will, wander around in that dark place for thousands of years to make penance for my sins than to stay in this place of horrors for one more moment, this place, which seems to be eternally cut off from Your compassion and mercy! Oh Jesus, help me! Oh Jesus, save me! 15. Now look, two disguised individuals are quickly approaching this caravan, and look, they are there already. They remove their disguise, and as you can see, they are two judging angels of the Lord. Each of them has a flaming sword in his hand. One of them swings his sword over the conquered castle, through which the torn apart and cut up beings have been put together again, and they begin to moan about the injustice they were subjected to. The other angel swings his sword over the first notorious castle, and as you can see, it bursts into flames. Burning and howling figures throw themselves out of the openings, windows and doors and curse these two angels of revenge. 16. Keep on looking: an angel strikes at the middle of our quartet with his flaming sword. The chains are broken. The husband sinks down before the two angels and pleads them for his merciful salvation. One of the angels grabs him and takes him with him, but the wife also takes hold of her husband and screams at him for compassion and mercy and begs not to leave her behind. Look for how long she lets herself be dragged along by the angelic spirit! And now look, both angels lift off; one carrying the husband, and all the while the wife lets herself be carried along and does not let go of her husband. Only now, already at a great height, does the other angel strike a glancing blow with his sword at the wife, loosening her from her husband with much effort. She plunges back down into her element, weeping; and the husband is brought to the border of the children’s kingdom, where the environment still looks rather meager and dark. 17. Now you have witnessed one of the best kinds of solutions to such a situation, but there are indeed countless more horrible and stubborn cases, of which you would barely be able to bear the sight, even if only expressed through words. We shall therefore now go back to our previous location and from there pass over into the region of the midday. – And with this, enough for today!

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Let us go there with renewed courage, then we will soon catch up with them. Well, can you discern something? You say: O yes, it looks like a motley riff-raff; it seems as if the company is engaged in physical strife. I tell you: you have not seen wrongly, but this is just an apparent reality. A spiritual dispute will look, at any distance, as if it is a physical fight. Let us go a bit closer still, then the situation will take on quite a different look. See, the closer we get to the company, the quieter their hands become; but instead, we begin to hear from all sides a kind of gnashing, like with a grain mill on earth. Now and then you also hear a voice, not unlike weeping. 31,2. You say: It seems as if what the Master had told the children of the light is being fulfilled here, regarding those who would be pushed out into utter darkness: there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth! Yes, yes, best friends, that is also meant by this and has the same meaning. What is meant spiritually with the weeping and gnashing of teeth and with being pushed out into the outer darkness, you will experience with your own ears and eyes. Only a few more steps, and look, we are where we want to be. 31,3. What do you see here? You say: This scene does not look that bad; despite the very much emaciated faces, to which we are already accustomed, the company seemed to be quite tolerable. They stand around a speaker, who is just getting ready to give a speech. 31,4. Dear friends, you are right. Exactly for this speech have I brought you here. Yet, you say: Since this whole kingdom of the night seems to be an endless plain of sand and there is nowhere a stage to be found, we would like to know how it will be possible for this speaker to elevate himself a bit above his audience. It is good of you to ask this, for the most insignificant things here have the most important meaning. This speaker has made a little heap from sand and compressed it a bit, but just like the composition of his podium, so will be his speech. As long as the speaker stays calm on top of his sand podium, it will carry him. If he should search for more support, the sand heap will collapse, and he will come off his height to the same level as his audience. He has now indicated that he is going to speak; we will listen to him in secret. 31,5. Look, he begins; listen then. “Esteemed friends and ladies, I have heard from each of you personally how you, everyone on his own terrain, have lived and acted as completely righteous and honest citizens on earth. (Agreement from all sides). As ‘good Christians’ you all were, to the correct measure, benefactors for the suffering mankind. At all disasters, your names were listed among the greatest donors with big letters in all newspapers. It also was nothing more than right, for even the blind and the deaf should understand that regarding support, nothing exists that is more laudable and praiseworthy than the acknowledgment of those people who always practiced charity. Firstly, poor mankind knows by such public notice to whom they should turn themselves at times of distress, and secondly are others clearly being encouraged to join the pleasant, humanitarian circles of the known big benefactors of mankind (Loud approval from all sides). 31,6. Yes, you were always present at the foundation of charity institutions and I can say with deep emotion in my heart that you were, in the true sense of the word, true, noble and honorable citizens of the world (Exceptional approval from all sides and one can hear the audience say with emotion: Glorious, Godly speaker, Godly man!). 31,7. You have always supported the arts and the sciences, you faithfully served the state as exemplary citizens; yes, man can say that you have lived completely according to the character of the gospel, for you have, as all would know, always given unto God what is God’s and to Caesar what is Caesar’s. Honor and lust for praise were never the motivation for your noble deeds, but the absolute necessity was always the incentive for all the great and beautiful things you brought about. (Again, the special approval mixed with tears, sighing and weeping!) As such were your lives inscrutable, like the sun in the clearest heaven, esteemed listeners, as it were on the earth upon which we lived; for here is nothing to be seen of a sun. But, esteemed listeners, allow me to pose a very important question: 31,8. What is now your reward for such excellent and honorable deeds? Where is the highly-praised heaven which was promised to those who made themselves true and exemplary Christians? (Great concurrence from all sides and many voices add plaintively: Yes, where is the deceptive heaven for which we offered so many sacrifices to gain it!) 31,9. Esteemed listeners, this sandy ground here, this more than ‘Egyptian darkness’ and our meager ‘mossy food’ is the reward and the heaven which was so extremely magnificently painted to us by the priests! (Again, great concurrence) 31,10. Where is the righteous God for whom you have done so many noble deeds? For it is indeed written in the gospel: what you have done unto the poor, you have done unto Me and you will be richly rewarded in heaven for it. Furthermore is written: with the measure you measure, you will be measured with in abundance as well. Now, honored listeners, you have done it all; you have supported thousands of the poor and were always particularly righteous regarding measure and weight. 31,11. But where is now the treasure in heaven and where the richly returned measure of all charitable deeds, which you have done as true Christians? (Another: Yes, where is it all? Sounds) 31,12. Here we have it: The heavenly treasure is this darkness and the highly-lauded reward which would have been showered upon us in the heavens consists of the scarce moss which is eaten on earth by the Eland in stooping fashion, yet we must satisfy ourselves with it as the highly lauded heavenly reward. 31,13. How often have we upon earth, at various occasions, stroke up the ‘Te Deum laudamus’ [composition by Antoine Charpenter (1690)] and the priests have loudly called out: There, in the radiating kingdom of the heavens, you will, once again, strike up the great and eternal ‘Te Deum laudamus’. Honored listeners, allow me to ask a question at this point, it goes as follows: 31,14. How is it now with you in this beautiful heavenly realm and with this so highly lauded ‘Te Deum laudamus’? You pull up your shoulders; truly, I would not only want to protest with my shoulders alone but with my whole body, if I did not have to fear that my tottering podium would let me fall from my high position. I think, without wanting to violate anyone’s possibly good opinion, that our voices would barely be able to produce a bearable sound to sing this exalted song, due to this exceptionally fatty food; now, another weighty question is presenting itself in this brightly shining heaven, namely: 31,15. Does some or the other God truly exist? And the ‘sit together with Abraham and Isaac at a heavenly table, laden with heavenly foods’, does not seem to be the norm here! If I had been on earth right now, I would be able to praise myself that I would be able to present one of the most watertight exegeses about such promising scriptural texts. I would present ‘Abraham and Isaac’ to be darkness and sand and the well-provided table as Icelandic moss, a truly worthy food for reindeer and land! To anyone wanting to tell us that we are doing better than these miserable animals in the ice-covered north, I would immediately surrender my tottering podium. I do think though that we, to understand this, only must feel our stomachs to find out how this difficult-to-digest food is still fermenting like dry straw. If we would also just have a look at this brightly shining sand, then the proof has been given for our Eland and reindeer status. 31,16. The good savior of the world, Christ, probably did not quite know what the heavenly kingdom, about which He preached, looked like, for if He knew, He would not have let Himself be nailed to the cross for it. If His praised Father God would have let Him see, just like us, after the crucifixion, what we see, then this truly honorable Man would stand truly surprised when He saw the holy communion, which was introduced by Him, represented by this pretty, mossy plain. To see this, we should probably not exert less effort than the pearl harvesters, to see the pearls on the bottom of the sea. That this is so, we do not need any more proof. But now, dear listeners, I am presenting you yet another important question, and it goes as follows: 31,17. We are here, this is how it is, like a stick standing in water; but for how long do we have to stay in this sober kingdom? Will it be well with our existence? Or shall we have the most blissful privilege to wander about here, forever, in these blessing-flooded fields? Look, this is an exceptionally important question, but exactly this important question calls out for someone to answer it. Honored listeners, concerning this, you can be assured that you would rather get an answer from a stone than from me. Yet, I do think that, at this exceptional illumination of our great scene, someone can barely bring something into ‘daylight’, for to bring something into bright light, light is needed, and for light a sun is needed. 31,18. To bring something properly into the light here means nothing other than to declare himself a fool before the others. It is also true that the great learned ones of the earth will find much time to think here. Happy are they if they would bring along much material, for with these three elements: darkness, sand, and moss, they will soon be done. They can leave microscopes and other instruments of investigation on earth, for they would be able to see, with the bare eye, a scanty and mossy field on this sandy surface. Also, for the astronomers is very poor provision made. The learned and well-read librarians will be utterly bored, for they will find nothing here . Also, the virtuoso and artists will do bad business here, for they will literally not bite in the grass, but in the moss! Here I understand the idiom: ‘to bite in the grass’ for the first time fully and see that it had a much older origin than many authors and historians ever could have imagined. This idiom must have its origin from the primordial Egyptian sages, who would have known of the glorious fate waiting upon the mortals here. 31,19. My honored listeners, that the same fate is awaiting the people still living upon earth, I do not doubt; I am also of the opinion that the honest Moses and very honest Christ have, in this respect of their law-giving, tread upon a very wavering and senseless road. Should they, and especially Moses with his wondrous staff, instead have hit the earth and said: Sun, become dark, and we have, for our foolishness, enough starlight, and you, earth, should become a sandy desert and nothing but scarce Icelandic moss will grow, then would all the strict law of thunder and lightning be left behind. But under these circumstances, sins should automatically become something rarer than diamonds in Greenland, Spitsbergen or Nova Zembla [Novya Zemlya]. I would first like to see who would be able to rob or steal here and who would still be able to have lust with this fatty food and our charming, skeleton-like looks. I would also pay a liar here with gold, if I would have any; and would anyone be able to commit murder here? It would be far more difficult for us, with all our treasures and wealth, to get behind this than would the discovery of planets and other suns be for the astronomers, with their optical instruments. In short, we can do and talk as much as we want, I am convinced that our fate will not improve one bit! I have already undertaken journeys here, farther than that of Christopher Columbus, and have crossed this sea of sand and darkness in all directions, but the fortune has not yet befallen me to call out: Land, land! but only: Night, moss and sand! Therefore, I will close my speech with the following opinion: 31,20. Among all people who have ever trodden upon the earth, I hold Christ for the most glorious. He abolished the extensive laws of Moses, which had a strong, tyrannical character in a certain sense and taught, in the place of it, the only law which preaches neighborly love. Because under this law, man can look at it as you will, intelligent beings, in no matter what circumstance, can live the happiest lives, I am for the notion that we too, for the sake of the good, stay true to this law here, keep in mind Christ as the true, honorable Man and then, under these circumstances, be as content as possible with our truly dire fate. I think that we will be able to make our fate as tolerable as possible for as long as it would take. 31,21. Yet, I do ask you, esteemed listeners, to not regard my wish as a set law without consideration, for as I have said, my closing words should only be taken as a well-meant wish. If we should act increasingly more socially, I think that we would, exactly through this, with combined power, endure our fate much more easily than when everyone would do only for himself. I will, from my side, always be willing, as far as it is within my abilities, to support you intensively with my words. With this wish and assurance, I close my speech.” (General loud approval from all sides) 31,22. As you can see, the speaker descends his tottering podium with great caution and is entertained very amiably by the whole company. Many are shaking his hand, saying: It is always good to stay in the company of a man whose heart sits in the right place. Therefore we are very happy to have found you, dear and loving friend, and we want to follow you in everything, whatever happens. 31,23. Look now, how it becomes lighter above the company and how the speaker and the whole company is surprised about it and how the speaker is making himself heard for one more time, saying: Yes, yes, as I am of the opinion: if the very true Christ, with His humane teaching, would not bring us any light, then we would forever stay guests of the night! 31,24. Look, it again becomes considerably lighter; and look around, how two messengers sent by the Master from the morning-side are rushing closer to bring much more light to the company. We will, therefore, stay a while longer to see what will happen next. Chapter 32 Birth out of the darkness to a first degree of light of life 32,1. Look, the company now also see the two messengers. Our main speaker goes to meet them in a friendly manner to receive them into the company. As you can hear for yourselves, he says to them: 32,2. Be welcome here with me as well as with us a thousand-fold! I indeed do not know you, but I do see that you, people like us, have just come here from the earth, or have found better pastures than us, for you look incomparably better than all of us together. If you have just arrived from earth, I will immediately direct your attention to it, that the so-called Robinsons have it much better there than us. For this assumption, you only have to look at us from top to toe. Our superhuman good looks will show you even in this still very considerable darkness very clearly how it is with the good life here. In addition, I can assure you that there are no illnesses here, for what can still become sick here with us? We can only barely contract the illnesses rocks can, for I think that when man is devoid of all its life juices, you also are free of all illnesses. The only evil plaguing someone mostly, in the beginning, is hunger, thus a stomach complaint. But, as hunger is usually the best cook, he will soon find a food which would challenge his cookery excessively. Look, at our feet on the sand is such a morsel for our stomachs to be seen. This is moss; one could say, true Icelandic and Siberian moss. The scarce dewdrops caught between these little leaves are also the only way to quench our thirst that can be found in this enormous sandy desert. Do not trouble yourselves if this situation would last forever, for patience and habit finally makes everything bearable. We shall all be very happy if you would want to stay with us, with your phosphoric garments, for I can assure you that one can have victory over everything but this darkness. You can, therefore, imagine yourselves that your phosphoric shine looks to us like a sun! But now, dear friends, would you be so friendly to tell us the reason why you came here from the earth, or if you came from a better pasture, tell me what has made you leave there to come here? 32,3. One says: Poor friend, you are gravely mistaken with us, for we came neither from the earth, nor from some other, better pasture in this region; but we come from the Master, called Christ, whom you see as merely a fully honest man, while He indeed is the only Master of heaven and earth. He sent us to you to show you the reason why you have been wandering around for so long and so helplessly in this region. 32,4. If you would ask yourselves: How did we live upon earth, you will say with clear and sound memory: all of us always lived honestly and reasonably. But would you ask yourselves some more: Why did we live and act like this? Then you could say nothing else but: We have predominantly lived for our own well-being. Worldly honor, worldly praise and the consequent prestige before other people, were the most predominant motivation for all our noble deeds. We were faithful members of state and church. Why then? Maybe out of love for God? How would it be possible, since we do not know God at all and thus also would not know His holy will. Our faithful church membership was firstly based on the privileges that could easily be obtained, more so than others who did not have such good report with state and church as we did. In addition, has this blind spiritual faithfulness to the state and church the following idea as its foundation: If there would be some or the other kind of life after death, according to the priests and other preachers of immortality, we would not perish by acting like we do. If there is not such a life, then will our prestige gained through deeds, at least still live upon earth through our children and grandchildren, and people might, even hundreds of years later, still talk about us, saying: Those were men and those were times when such men lived! 32,5. Look, as was said, you also had to say in yourselves. As such, you have obviously, without any inner understandin,g passed from the earthly life into the spiritual life and you do not know at all what is needed for the spiritual life. What would be more self-evident than that you could find nothing in this spiritual life, but what you have brought along of your material life, namely a highly pitiable and poor form of your actual character and a complete darkness about the concepts of the spiritual life. In other words: You came here almost like an embryo at natural conception of man in the motherly womb, where complete darkness prevails. The embryo feeds himself in a certain sense with the waste from the blood of the mother, until he reaches, despite this very poor and unsavory food, the right level of power with which it frees itself from the dark resort of origin. Likewise, do you find yourselves here in a ‘mother’s body’ and do you also have to feed yourselves with its comparable waste. 32,6. But because there is still a living spark of eternal life in you, namely your little love and high esteem of Christ, this spark has taken hold of your spiritual embryos out of your dark sphere, unto birth. It will go with you, like you said at the end of your speech, to your company: If there will be no light rising for us with Christ, we can be assured that darkness shall be our eternal possession. 32,7. You have therefore found the light in Christ. And you will indeed experience what the Master had said to one of His disciples, namely that no one can have part in the eternal life and thus also the kingdom of God, who hasn’t been reborn. This the Master has said in the night to His disciple, to show him that every non-rebirthed spirit finds himself in a night, like an embryo in the mother’s body and that the Master also comes in the night to the not yet reborn spirit, to lift him out of this night into the light of eternal life, to rebirth. 32,8. Because your time of rebirth has arrived through your awakening, yet still with only a little love towards the Master, we have been sent here to take you out of the place of your spiritual rebirth and take you to a place where you would be taken care of as children. There you will be able to gather new life power, in the measure by which you will be more or less developed, to come into a sphere, which will be particularly adapted to your powers. 32,9. But never think of heaven to be a resort of reward for the good works one has done upon earth, but think about it that heaven consists of nothing else but your own love for the Master! 32,10. The more you will take hold of the Master with love and the humbler you would be towards Him and all your brothers, the more you will carry the true heaven inside of yourselves. Therefore, join us and follow us! 32,11. Look how the whole company rejoices and follows these two messengers. 32,12. You ask where they are going to take the company to. Turn around and look, there, already far behind us is the already known and opened, high wall; do you not see it yet? Does it not look like the opening of the mother’s womb at the birth of a child? 32,13. You say: Indeed, like with a stroke of lightning, we now recognize the wondrous correspondence. But when the company has passed through this cleft, where would it rightfully go? What happens to a child shortly after birth? You say: It is wrapped in soft cloth and laid into a crib; it still finds itself in very much restricted life circumstances. You indeed saw, when we approached this wall from the other side from the morning, many valleys to the left and to the right? Look, these are the cloths and the crib. These people are settled in these valleys. It then fares with them just like you have come to know in the beginning in some of these valleys to the left or to the right. 32,14. Just like a newborn child cannot become a man from today to tomorrow, a newborn spirit also, especially in the kingdom of the spirits, grows only gradually. Now you know in what region you find yourselves. Therefore, it will also not surprise you that you will find among the many ones moving around here not many higher teachers, for it would be for them just as useless as when someone on earth would want to educate a child still finding itself in the mother’s womb. 32,15. You do know when the time has arrived to educate a child. Therefore, do these messengers also not come here as teachers, but can be considered truly spiritual ‘midwives’! Now that we know this, we can move on a bit, where a very different and new scene will present itself to us. With this, enough for today!

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Volume 1, Chapter 30 – Discussion in the hereafter: A spiritual Philosopher and a Fanatic The Evangelist Mark leads through the outer Darkness… 1. Look, if you can discern something, you would see about fifty normal steps from us, another couple. Let us go straight there, then we will reach them immediately. They too do not need to see us. We indeed find a place for our purpose, therefore we will go there quickly, to hear something new. Well, we already are with them and as you can see, this time there is a difference in gender in this couple. An exceptionally poor woman, looking exhausted and a man, looking emaciated unto the last drop of blood and having barely enough energy to drag himself along tediously. Look, she reaches out to him with her hand and welcomes him. 2. Listen now what these two discuss with each other. She says: Dear heaven greets you! It makes my heart so happy that dear fate has brought us together once again at last. Yet, I must admit that I never thought I would meet you in such a place, for I always thought that you, God knows how blissful it would already be in heaven because of you, for as long as I could remember, you were on earth such a pious and righteous man. You indeed were a very learned professor in religion and because of you have so many stout and worthy spiritual ones entered soul care. And now, dear heaven, do I find you here in this miserable place in such wretchedness in which, the dear God knows why you have rightfully come to two months ago. 3. He says: Yes, dear friend, it grieves me that you would find yourself here, but this is how it is. You, just as I, is an emaciated being here. Heaven (if it exists) knows how we had golden expectations of a happy life in the hereafter. But how happy life is and what the reward is for all our good deeds upon earth, I do experience now for many years and you, esteemed wife, as you said, now already for two months. 4. She says: no, dear heavens if I think back on what a strict life you have led, how you had no possession upon earth. When you preached, all the people in the church sit there sighing and weeping and what beautiful lessons and admonitions did you give in the confession booth. How thoughtful have you presented the holy mass; therefore, I can truly not understand how you could rightfully come here. For people like us, it is understandable, for one might have kept silent about many sins during confession because one could not, despite all searching of one’s conscience, not remember it. But how you, who knew it all and have fully investigated his life with all its actions and deeds, came rightfully here, this would, as said, only heaven know. Do you have no suspicion of why you have come to this judgment? 5. He says: Oh, esteemed friend, I certainly have many presumptions, but my thoughts about this you would not easily understand. She says: Oh, I beg you, do tell me frankly about it; who knows if it would not be of use to me. He says: well, I will tell you the one or the other about it, but it is not my fault if you do not like it. Therefore, I will tell you frankly what I suspect. 6. I do suspect that there is neither a God nor some or the other heaven and I do suspect with founded reasons that we people are nothing but the work of nature. When the crude matter, like a covering of the natural life power, falls away, only the natural power of life keeps on existing for a while. But she also will die down eventually; the power distributes itself in space like the power of gunpowder outside the barrel of a cannon and then it is eternally over and done with those people who had so much expectation. If you would look keenly to me and see how I have already come close to complete decomposition and destruction, my suspicion will become even in this stark, dark night even clearer than the sun upon earth on a bright midday. 7. She says: Oh, my dear heavens, if it exists, as you say! This is indeed terrible! Yes, yes, you would know better than I. Even on earth I sometimes thought, like my once highly learned and prominent lord once said, that there is nothing after death. Only now I see that the Lord has spoken the truth; therefore, it will in time go with me as it is with you now. On earth, when I would fare badly, I still could say: my God and my Master, do not forsake me! But what can I do now, if there is no God? Would you, my esteemed friend, be able to tell me how it is then with Christ and His Mother, the virgin Mary? Why then, have we upon earth prayed so many rosaries to both of them and why have you read so thoughtfully so many masses, if it is like you told me now? 8. He says: Yes, dear friend, it only occurred to me here. The higher lords upon earth would not be able to keep the general people in check if they would not have developed some or the other god and therefore, some or the other religion. It is an easy play to keep the dumb rabble in tow with religion. It works diligently for them, that they would be able to live in their palaces and castles without a care, fatten themselves on soft beds and chairs. Therefore, they appoint spiritual officers and leaders everywhere who are kept properly dumb themselves, to keep the general people dumb as well. Whenever such spiritual officials would use their brains, they are getting promoted quickly, letting them live a good life, in order that their clear thinking would pose no danger to the high lords. But to give such a religion which has no meaning a somewhat meaningful hue, they must decorate it with all kinds of mysticism, that is, meaningless ceremonies, without which it would not have the desired effect on the general people. See, esteemed friend, such was the case with me. 9. On earth, I very well saw that it must be much different with the afterlife than what I have preached from the pulpit. I have,obviously, only very secretly asked the great lords in power for an explanation. I never received one, but instead, I don’t even know how myself, I quickly received an important promotion. I became a well-paid professor and finally even a director of a seminary. I do think that the lords have seen that I was too smart for a lower office. Therefore, they gave me a better one, that I would not, with my ability, be harmful, but only useful out of self-interest. I always truly just lived like a complete honest man, but what was incredibly stupid stupid of me, and which I already regret, is that I did not yet see through it in the beginning that I was only being deceived with such a promotion, as well with the fact that I have, in my well-paid job, apparently for my own well-being, lived a too foolish and spiritually strict life. I did think: Such a life of self-denial will soon give me the dignity of a bishop. But I have sorely misjudged this, for the high lords have exactly calculated that I did possess the correct amount of stupidity for my assigned office, for me to not be dangerous to them anymore. They could, therefore, leave me unconcerned in my place. You see, esteemed friend, this is the case with religion everywhere in the world. Therefore, as I said already in the beginning, we have both been deceived. 10. She says: Only now, for the first time, is a light dawning on me! Would I have known this on earth, how much pleasure I could have had! For I was, as one would say, a pretty and wealthy girl. How many young men have competed for my favor, but out of pure religiosity I could barely look to anyone and stayed a spinster for the sake of Our Dear Master and the blessed virgin Mary, and on top of it all, I left all my wealth to the church during my life. 11. Oh, how stupid I was! Would I have become a happy whore, I would have had some joy! Now the saying is applicable to me: ‘A timid dog will not become fat’. No, best friend, if this is truly as you have said, I would want to curse and renounce everything! But no, this I will not do. Even if it would go worse with me, I will, even out of habit, call unto God and the blessed virgin Mary. I very well remember that the calling unto Christ and our dear lady did sometimes help; therefore, I think, even if they should not exist, that I have not gained anything by praying to them, but I also did not lose anything either. I do not need to chide myself that I am in this dark resort being punished because of my way of life. The only thing is that I maybe have spent too much time with the spiritual ones, yet it never spoiled my chastity, for on that terrain I have never allowed myself anything. I indeed did often besmirch people who I regarded to be bad and sometimes, yet only to the spiritualities, vigorously dragged them through the mire. With them I also cursed all Lutherans, Jews, Turks and heathens in the Name of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; but the spiritual lords said that one as a truly believing Christian, certainly should do this. After this, they did add that one should pray for them, in order that they may convert to the true religion. I, therefore, have done this and have, as it should be, first cursed them and then prayed for them. Maybe it was wrong; I would not have known. I also gave unto the poor; not so much, though, for I rather gave my wealth to the church, because I thought that the spiritualities would be better able to disperse it than I could. So, have I, the more I ponder about myself, come here ‘completely innocent’ in this judgment? But of course, if it is as you said, then the one or the other prayer has hurt me as little as it benefited me. 12. But as I said, I stick with calling unto God and our dear lady and will drag myself along in this place as long as it goes. Maybe I will encounter someone else who has something better to tell me than you, my otherwise much-appreciated friend. I bid you farewell, for I see I will not become happier in your company. It would have been better for me, the way I feel now, if I would never have met you! For only now I see that stupidity makes one happier than an ever so sharp mind. 13. I’m just glad that I did not end up in the feared ‘purgatory’ or even in hell. For I am faring not that bad after all, because I have, besides hunger, no pain. I do have to satisfy the hunger with grass, which is in abundance here. If only it does not get worse, I will get used to this food. Therefore, farewell! 14. He says: Yes, yes, farewell to you too and take care to gain from the eating of the grass. I do wish you ‘bon appetit’! I did not have the luck to find an abundant grassy field, but only moss, and that was up till now, very sparsely, my only source of food. 15. Look, they both depart; he in a more northerly direction, she closer to the midday. 16. You say: We cannot really see why they would find themselves in this region. Concerning him, judging by his statements, he seems to have grounded reasoning. 17. My dear friends! This you should be able to see at first glance. How is it with the love of someone who does a certain thing for either an immediate reward, or a future reward? Is it not self-love? For whoever does the good and right thing out of any measure of self-interest, likes himself too much and does everything to take care of himself as well as possible. It was the same way with her, who gave away everything she owned to receive heaven, the way someone else would spend all his wealth for some worldly goods. Yet they have not even a faint idea of true love for Christ, which should always be highly unselfish! Therefore, her hunger for a reward needs to be completely eradicated here, and she needs to be compelled to search for God and long for Him. Only then will it be possible for her to come closer to the true love and compassion of the Master. Likewise, does he need to consider himself destroyed before he will be able to receive a higher mercy? 18. You should therefore never consider anyone completely lost, but know that for many, according to your reckoning of time, a hundred, a thousand and another thousand years can pass before they will be able to receive a higher mercy. 19. For you to experience even more closely the variety of reasons why many people come here, we will move on. Only when we will encounter whole companies, you will receive greater light and then you will see with what countless kinds of foolishness people living in the current world of ‘better humanity’ on earth are infused with and that they perform good deeds mostly out of personal interest. We’ll leave it at that for today.

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(Satan): »…Oh friend, oh son, the endless sweetness of the heavens is only too well known to me, and so is the terrible harshness of my present state! But what can I do? 22. A fully grown oak tree can no longer be bent, and even less I, as the original ‘oak’ of all creation. But eventually it should become possible that your kind wish is fulfilled. 23. You should now rather look towards the earth, where things are in a very bad state; that would be of more benefit to you than endeavoring to achieve the still quite impossible! What do you think about that, my dear son, Martin?« Chapter 194 1. (Says Martin): “Poor friend, it may all be as you describe to me with kind patience. However, like all blind persons, I am rather sceptical – or maybe more ignorant than sceptical. Therefore, I simply cannot understand why all creation should be unable to exist without you. All the more so, since through your conversion to God, you would not cease to exist, but on the contrary, you would become endlessly more perfect in your being. 2. The Lord has given me the realization that you must be preserved at all costs because, according to the divine order, the preservation of the natural worlds and beings depends on you. However, what do the transient substances matter? 3. Once you have been won as perfected – which depends entirely on your will – all matter will have become quite superfluous anyway. Since matter is nothing else but your obstinacy under judgment, with your conversion and perfection it would immediately disintegrate in accordance with the Lord’s wish, and be perfected in its purely spiritual substance which, at present, your judged obstinacy is holding imprisoned and gagged within matter. 4. However, our spiritual substance, as well as the new earth and new heaven, have really nothing to do with you, for the polarities for their eternal existence are to be found in the Lord alone in the form of love and wisdom or goodness and truth. 5. You are right in advising us to concentrate our attention on the earth, which is, indeed, in a bad state. But I maintain, my poor friend and brother, that the moment you turn back, not only the earth, but all creation, will regain its original divine purity and perfection. All evil will cease, and all that has still to walk the hard path of the flesh and matter under judgment, will be perfected in the moment of your conversion. 6. For, what else is the path of the flesh if not a laborious separation from you and a troublesome rise from your state of judgment. When the judgment has ended for you, there would not be any need for matter or the difficult way of the cross for the flesh. 7. I am convinced to have spoken the full truth with my best intention and will. Follow my advice and you will see that the result will be quite different from what you now imagine.” Chapter 195 1. (Says Satan): “Friend, at least you present your shortsightedness concerning me in a nice and calm manner; otherwise, your understanding of these things and circumstances is still extremely backward. 2. I now see that you have not really understood a word of what I told you. Therefore, it would be futile to endeavor to reveal to you the deeper relation between God and me in more detail. You would comprehend it even less than what I have told you so far. 3. So I think we should part in peace and each attend to his own important business. For, without understanding each other, our futile discussions will never bring results. I do understand what you want, but you do not and you cannot understand what is possible and what is not. 4. But, because of your very nice attitude, I shall tell you something that you will find very useful. You, like all your world, regard me as the basis for all principal evil originating in my extreme arrogance. If self-confidence, the awareness of your existence, self-determination of your power, and the activity resulting from it, deserve this insulting term, I accept it. But what is that within you, friend Martin, if you want to accomplish my conversion in order to be praised by the Lord and make for yourself the greatest name in all the heavens? 5. With your tongue, you have gained a victory over the dwellers in this world, and the Lord has highly praised you for it. He has treated you with distinction before all your brothers of equal or even greater merit, and now, by winning a victory over me, you probably want to attaint for yourself the greatest fame in heaven. You want to hear yourself praised thus: ‘Look, what myriads of the mightiest spirits and even God Himself have failed to achieve, there, the weak Martin has gloriously succeeded!’ 6. Do you think, Martin, that such an aspiration is anything but the greatest hidden arrogance, compared with which mine is nothing? Abandon this from deep within you, and only then we might be able to continue our discussion. For, in my true shape, I am light, and we can only talk with each other effectively if you are quite pure. So go and cleanse yourself of all impurity and then return to talk to me, the original light from eternity!” Chapter 196 1. (These words from Satan have startled Martin considerably, all the more so because he really feels a bit guilty. When his mind has somewhat calmed down, he turns to John and says): “Dear brother whom the Lord has filled with wisdom like none other, what do you think about this? Should I believe Satan in this one point? I do have an innermost feeling that he is not quite wrong.” 2. (Says John): “Leave this matter now alone, for where we have never been able to achieve anything, also your efforts will be in vain. Bid him to keep peace in the name of the Lord, and let us then go home to the Father. Let Him do with Satan as He pleases, and that will be best.” 3. (Says Satan): “And just because you have given my Martin such advice, I will not be told by him to keep my peace. I will do him the honor of going with him before the Lord, in order to discuss this matter – which none of you understands – with the Lord Himself. Now, go home and I shall follow you of my own free will.” 4. (Says John): “Unfortunately, we know your intentions and that you are never more dangerous than when you don the garb of highmindedness. Therefore, if you have the courage, you will have to find your own way to the Lord. We are not commissioned to take you, the Lord’s greatest enemy, with us. 5. It would be quite different, of course, if you had followed Martin’s sound advice and returned to the Father as a repentant, prodigal son. In that case, all of us would have welcomed you as a companion. But you are of no use to us the way you are. 6. However, if you want to see the Lord, you know the road to Him only too well. But, as you now are, you can never ever walk in our company. So be it, in the name of our and your God and Lord!” 7. (Upon these words, Satan scowls and says): “If the Lord will send me messengers like you again, I swear by all that is sacred to me that I will not turn back in eternities – even if the Lord judged me with the fire of all the central suns. 8. Martin might achieve something with me, but John, Peter, and Paul, not ever! Mind these words, you hard, merciless lout of a disciple of Christ! Do you think I am scared or intimidated by you and your words because you are John, the scribbler of the Gospel and the Revelation? You are quite mistaken if you do! 9. A blowfly created by me has much more worth to me than a thousand prophets like you! You should be ashamed of your hard-heartedness towards those who are the same Creator’s work, even though miserable and wretched! 10. The Lord Himself has characterized you most appropriately when, in His great parable of the prodigal son, He said: ‘When the father gave a great feast for the poor prodigal son who had returned home, and the other sons and children heard about it, they came and said angrily: You have never given a feast for us who have always been faithful. But when this depraved son returns, he who had hurt you so much that heaven and earth shook from horror, you give him your signet ring and prepare a feast for him!’ 11. I need not remind you of the father’s reply to this complaint, for you will remain unchanged – hard-hearted and merciless like all the rest of your rabble. 12. Martin, however, is an exception, although, since influenced by you, he was rather rude for a while. But he improved, and the talk with him was the first blissful moment for my heart since unimaginable aeons. Therefore, I shall always hold him in high esteem, and if ever anyone could achieve something with me, it would be Martin. You others can save yourselves the trouble forever! Go now, and I will stay here!” 13. (Says John): “You have wronged me very much, because it was I who reproved Martin and caused him to set you free after he had, through his might, banned you forever to that steaming crater of fire and even covered you up with glowing mountains. Considering what I did then for you, how can I be a hard and merciless lout?” 14. (Says Satan): “Friend, do not talk to me of your charity! What Martin did was done out of thoughtlessness. And, upon realizing that it was wrong, he immediately righted his thoughtless action. But you are the way you are, and you will never change your outlook – be it right or wrong! Because of this, I hate and despise you more than my worst suffering and torment. To you, Martin, my respect, but to the rest of you, my everlasting and deepest contempt! Now go away or I shall cause an uproar as has not been seen in all infinity as yet!” 15. (Says John): “We are not here to take orders from you, but to stop your evil activity. Therefore, we shall leave when it is the Lord’s will, not when it suits you! If you wish to cause an uproar, you may try, and you will soon find that our power over you is greater than yours over us. 16. Since you ordered us to leave here immediately, we could give you quite a different order in the name of the Lord. But we do not want to repay evil with evil, and we advise you to keep quiet if you do not wish or are unable to follow Martin’s call. This is the final short period of time you have left for your conversion. If you do not make use of it, you shall be under the most severe judgment forever. 17. You referred to the parable of the prodigal son in order to accuse us of hardness of heart. However, I assure you that the prodigal son will return also without you, namely, in the many devout brothers who will be standing before God with one mind, like one man. But you shall be cast into the everlasting fire of God’s judgment like the rich spendthrift if you do not follow Martin’s call very soon.” 18. (Says Satan): “The Lord may do as He pleases, but so will I. I shall prove to Him and all of you that the Lord can scatter all infinity with His might like chaff, but my heart and will shall forever defy His omnipotence and wisdom with the hardest, invincible defiance. Now do what you want and I shall do what I want!” 19. (Says Martin): “Oh brother, as I can now see, all our efforts are in vain, so let us go. I now realize beyond doubt that nothing more can be achieved with this Satan.” 20. (Says John): “Dear Martin, if he had not ordered us to go home, we would already have done so. But his will must never determine our actions; therefore, we shall delay our departure for a while. If we left now just because he told us to, he would have achieved a triumph over us, and if that happened, we would be in trouble. So we will, and must, wait for a while and tidy up this area. So be it!”

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(Peter): “So it is true. You did what brother Martin asked of you in the name of all of us, and this has now made you our new brother. Therefore, it is only fair if we comply with your request and tell you who we are and whence we came. 3. It is easy enough to tell you with words what you want to know, but it would not be of much use to you if we did. For you have to believe firmly and without the least doubt in what I tell you. If you lack this faith, whatever I may tell you would be quite useless to you. 4. You are now saying to yourself, ‘If proofs will accompany these words, I will and can believe everything!’ However, here I must point out to you that in such a case, that would not be faith, but rather pure knowledge, which would benefit your inner being little, or not at all. 5. A knowledge based on proofs is no longer a free knowledge, but a knowledge under compulsion. It does not liberate a spirit, but only imprisons it with each proof that is provided for a certain teaching. 6. The only true faith is the one that is like a voluntary obedience of the heart, where the latter does not ask why, how, when, or by what means! Only such a faith will liberate the spirit, because it is a free, uninhibited acceptance of that which a messenger from heaven has told you, whose authority can only be checked by the love of your heart. 7. If you feel love for the messenger, accept him; if not, let him go. The messenger has the same kind of instruction from God, Who said, and still does: ‘Where you will be received, there remain; but where you will not be received, shake the dust off your feet and continue on your way.’ 8. You can see from this that both – the one who is to receive the message, as well as the messenger himself – must be quite free! The proposition must be free, and so must be its acceptance! If more is demanded, there is no longer any freedom, but only compulsion, which cannot liberate a spirit. 9. It would be easy, indeed, for God, the Eternal Lord, should He wish it, to teach His mankind by irrefutable proofs that He is, and how and why. He would simply have to place men under compulsion, and then they would be quite incapable of assuming or thinking anything else, because – as is the case with animals – their hearts would be under compulsion. However, the Lord wants completely free men, not robots! And, consequently, their hearts must be free, particularly where the acceptance of the Lord’s teaching is concerned. Otherwise, their spirit could never gain freedom. 10. As long as your mind demands a proof in order to accept a teaching or revelation, your spirit is like a prisoner in a dark cell. Being hungry and thirsty, the prisoner clamors for food, which comes to him through proofs like meager crumbs of bread. These, however, will never provide him with the strength he would need to free himself from his shackles. 11. But if the intellect of the heart accepts a teaching freely without proofs, the heart reveals its uninhibited strength, which passes into the spirit and liberates it. When the spirit is free, everything else in man is free: love, light, and vision. No proofs for truth are required, for the free spirit itself stands for the clearest and most complete truth. 12. Now ask your heart whether you can believe unconditionally what I tell you. Then I will reveal to you what you want to know. If you cannot do that, my words would be futile, for we have not come to bring judgment, but only to liberate you from the hard yoke of your old servitude.” 13. (Says the sage): “Sublime friend, you are on a higher level than I. Therefore, speak, and I shall believe you freely, because I want to believe you.” from Revelation of Jesus Christ to Jakob Lorber BEYOND THE THRESHOLD – Bishop Martin Chapter 162 – About true Faith and spiritual Freedom

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Now I turn to the dragon with the following words: “Satan, how much longer will you keep tempting God, your Lord? How much longer will you abide by your boundless arrogance? What do you hope to achieve against My infinite might, which could destroy you at any time? And if it does not wish to do that, it can nonetheless punish you severely, everlastingly. 2. You are aware that this is the final time allowed to you; during this time you can still raise yourself – or fall forever. What do you intend to do? My will is well known to you. If it were not, you would be without sin. And since My will is known to you as well as the reward and punishment, say, what are you going to do? 3. Behold, everything is rising against you! All the mountains will be flattened and the valleys filled. All the crowns and thrones on earth, erected by you, shall be cast in the fiery lake. What will you do? You will not ever be able to defy My might. You will no longer be free to do anything at all! So speak: What are you going to do? Will you raise yourself or will you fall? 4. Below you is the eternal abyss; and here am I – a Father to all who love Me, and here is My table! Choose – and make it quick! So be it!” 5. Says Satan: “Lord, I know You and I know Your might and my terrible impotence compared with Your boundless, everlasting might. But being aware of this fact, and feeling my impotence deep within my being, I consider it a triumph for my pride to be able to defy You – yes, defy You everlastingly! And I also realize that all Your might has no means of breaking my defiance and conquering my will – except through my complete annihilation, which, however, You could never look at as a victory over me. For a spiritual victory of life could never be gained by total annihilation of the weaker opponent, but only by wise persuasion with the fundamental condition of full freedom for both parties. 6. The basis for such a persuasion, however, must be the unrestricted right to turn to the opposite, if so desired. I am this opposite, and I shall never agree with Your will, justified as it may be. Even if I understand Your will, I shall never adhere to it because I want to demonstrate to You that there is another will opposed to Yours, which Your omnipotence shall never bend as long as You allow me to exist. 7. It is easy enough to be free within Your will. However, to defy You, the Almighty Spirit, in greatest torment, well aware of Your everlasting omnipotence, Your wrath and one’s own helplessness – that is greater than anything that Your all-seeing eye will ever be able to see! 8. That is also the reason for my constant disobedience to You. In it I see the greatest triumph of my impotence against Your omnipotence, for in my impotence I remain forever a victor over Your omnipotence, love and wisdom, as well as Your wrath, and You are unable to bend me, notwithstanding all Your might, strength, love, wisdom, judgment and wrath! 9. It is easy enough to be a Michael, a Gabriel, an Uriel; a celestial dalliance to be a seraph or cherub. But it is quite a different thing to be a Lucifer, the greatest primordial spirit after You, knowing what infinite bliss Your boundless love offers and, at the same time, knowing what growing torment Your judgment and wrath offer! And, still scorning all beatitude and eternal torment, to offer unwavering defiance forever, well aware of one’s impotence, without the slightest hope of ever gaining anything and knowing that one can only eternally lose – such helpless greatness of a creature’s will is endlessly greater than the greatness of Your Deity! And this knowledge brings me greater bliss in all my torment than You and all Your spirits and angels could ever experience! Therefore, do not ever ask me how much longer I shall defy You! My answer shall always be the same: Forever! Forever! Forever! God will never bend me!” 10. Say I: “Oh, you blind, ignorant spirit, how profound your death is that you could imagine to be able to defy Me! You delight in your folly and do not realize that every true or illusory freedom – like the one you imagine to be your own – in the end, must be subject to My will. Who has ever counselled with Me or grasped My ways? Are you so sure that it could not be My hidden will that you must be the way you are? Do you know whether I did not perhaps destine you to your fall from the very beginning? Can the creation ever dictate its Creator how and for what he should create it? 11. A founder makes his big crucibles out of fireproof material. They are placed in a furnace and the sturdy ore within them melts until it is like a liquid, whereupon it is poured into various molds. When the molds are filled, they are cooled down and not subjected to any more heat. The crucible, however, remains in the fire, so that more ore may be melted within it. It is not allowed to cool down until it has become useless, in which case it is discarded forever as useless, burnt-out matter. 12. Am not I a foreman of all works? If so, and if I procure for Myself the tools I want, the way I want them, say, can you defy Me at all? Can you even call it defiance if you are the way you are and cannot be any different from what I want you to be? 13. However, I am not a harsh founder, but a loving one, even prepared to remove My crucibles from their permanent heat, if they so desire and are willing to adapt themselves to the order of My free works. If they are not willing and prefer to forever remain My crucibles, it’s alright with me as well, for I won’t need to bother making new ones. But if they remain crucibles, they are what they have to be and never what they want to be. For a tool cannot be any different from what I made it to be and want it to be. 14. Thus, your would-be defiance in which you delight, is nothing more than an illusion originating in your great blindness. For just as a pot cannot say to the potter: ‘I am as I want to be,’ considering that the potter turns and shapes it as he pleases – you cannot tell Me that you are the way you want to be, since you have to be the way you are, just as I want it! But I, as Eternal Love itself, allow you in your sufficient freedom in your judgment, to enable you to feel and understand your state of torment, so that you can change it if you so desire. If not, you must remain how you are and what you are, not because you want it this way, but because it is My will! 15. If, however, you wish to improve your lot, I shall put another tool in your place to serve Me as you have done. Now speak, what is it you desire! It does not make any difference to Me whether you remain the way you are or whether I replace you with another tool!” 16. In light of this, Satan is quite startled and at a loss of what to say. 17. However, his numerous adherents cry out: “Oh, Lord, if this is the case, deliver us from our long-endured torment and replace us with new, useful tools. We have had enough suffering and have become quite brittle in the fire. Therefore, have mercy upon us and reform us, o Lord, according to Your kindness and love!” 18. Upon hearing this from his adherents, Satan roars and howls in a fit of rage: “Don’t you want to participate in my greatness? Well, then I shall not remain what God wants me to be, but what I myself wish to be! Agree with me!” 19. His adherents cry out once more: “Fool, could you ever will anything that is not God’s will? Is your would-be free will not God’s will? Whatever you will, you cannot do it out of yourself, only God’s will within you can, who will remain your eternally unconquerable judge! May You do as you have been judged, but we have been seized by God’s mercy, and it won’t let us go. As such, we shall do according to our better judgment.” 20. Say I: “Then arise, you wretched beings, and be released! But you, the one, if you will it, remain what you are. Whatever you desire to do now is not your will, but My Divine will – and your will within you shall forever be My judgment! 21. However, in addition to this thorough enlightenment, I allow you a short respite to enable you to ponder the position and state in which you find yourself. If you do want to improve your lot, it will be done. If not, you will stay what you are until the last very prisoner in this period of creation has arisen from the path of the flesh! Whatever will happen to you after that, only I know in all of infinity.” 22. After hearing these words, Satan utters a great cry and rushes out the door, whilst his adherents throw away their dragon armor and stand there, a thousand completely naked souls of wretched appearance, asking to be healed and relieved of their great pain. 23. Now I summon Martin, Borem and Chorel once more, and tell them to guide these wretched beings to the cooling bath. The three immediately do as they were told, and the thousand wretches find relief in the bath.

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A Minorite comes forward and says: “Friends, let me say a few words which, should it turn out that they are of no use, might at least help to pass a little bit of time of the eternal rest ahead of us!” 2. All the spirits: “Very well! We shall be happy to listen to you. Already in the world you were known as a wise, ingratiating orator. Go ahead, and speak as much as you want to!” 3. The Minorite: “Brothers and friends, in the world all of us had in a way two gospels. On the one hand there was the ancient one by Christ, the Lord, and some of His disciples, and then there was the one of the Roman Catholic Church, claiming to be the only true church, since it believed, and still believes, to have inherited the Holy See from Peter, and to hold the keys for heaven as well as for hell. 4. We took an oath to be faithful to this church to the end of our days and to believe all it demanded of us – to believe irrespective of whether it was written in the Bible or not! We also vowed to consider everyone a heretic who thought or believed differently, and to condemn him. 5. We kept our oath in all detail, even if sometimes against our better judgment or plain common sense. 6. You are all aware of the fact that we were forbidden by the church to read the Bible, which was considered a deathly sin, except on Sundays, and then only the much condensed Gospels. All the rest only the theologians were allowed to read and comprehend. Instead, there were for us the Church Fathers, the breviary, the legends; also the rules of the order, Ignatius of Loyola, the relics, the images, the masses, the sacraments, the confession, and other things, many of which we can now openly condemn as evil follies. 7. Now we must ask: Can we be blamed for acting contrary to the true Gospel of Christ through the ordinance of the Roman Church, which must have been at least allowed by God? In accordance with all human, and surely also divine, justice, the real culprit must be made responsible. And we should be advised as to what attitude to adopt for our eternal future, and how we can make amends for what we ourselves may have done wrong.” 8. Say the others: “Well said! We have really enjoyed your speech! May the culprit be made responsible! The Holy See should be punished, and everyone who forced us into actions without giving us time to think it over, comprehend what we were doing, and consent to it, or otherwise! 9. We were baptized without our consent, and through this premature baptism, we were forced into the Roman creed, thus making the child in the womb already responsible. Or is it not crazy to have a newborn child, through certain representatives, swear an oath of allegiance without taking into consideration that the child, when grown up, may disagree with this vow, and, consequently, be forced into perjury? Is not that totally antichristian? 10. Christ Himself said that he who believed and was baptized would attain salvation. But how can a person be baptized before he has comprehended and accepted the Christian faith? Is not baptism meant to be a living demonstration that somebody has accepted the Christian faith for his sole guiding principle in life? And what does a new-born child know about faith, the Christian faith? The more you think about it, the more you realize the folly of it. 11. It is maintained that, as a result of baptism, remission of the original sin, as well as all sins committed prior to baptism, is obtained. How utterly foolish that is! Can any intelligent person condemn a child because his parents committed an understandable offense? And God, Whose wisdom is supreme, should keep holding children of more than the thousandth generation responsible for Adam’s fall? And as to any sins committed prior to baptism – that is quite ridiculous since a child cannot possibly sin in its mother’s womb! 12. And what sins could a heathen have who has only just been converted to Christianity, which in itself is heathenish enough? His would have to be sins against his pagan laws for, not having comprehended Christian laws, he could not really offend against them. And the remission of a heathen’s heathenish sins would only mean confirmation of his paganism. The same would apply to a Jew, for to forgive a Jew in baptism for being a Jew for so long, would be the acme of foolishness!” 13. The Minorite: “Friends, I fully agree with you! This Roman way of making Christians already in the womb really reminds me now of those ancient fairy tales about people selling themselves to the devil. For the vilest reasons of policy, one is practically sold to the devil already in one’s mother’s womb, and becomes his prisoner through Rome! And this antichristian, so-called ‘First Christian Church’ even calls itself the ‘Mother Church’, and its head ‘Vicar of Christ’; consequently, vicar of God! 14. How peculiar – and still true – that we were all so wrong and did not even notice it that almost from our birth we were more or less of the devil! Baptism should have freed us from the silly original sin to make us children of God. And nice children of God we have been! Instead of away from hell, we were literally baptized into hell! 15. And to make sure that no one ever truly repented and thought of betterment, auricular confession was invented appeasing all deathly sins, entitling us priests to total absolution. Hereby every sinner was thrown back into his own sink of iniquity, making it impossible for him ever to become a new creature in Christ. 16. O brothers, brothers, that God allowed these things to happen will forever remain an unsolvable riddle for us! ‘Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.’ Fine perfection, indeed, when one had to be a stupid blockhead and is only now, as a spirit, beginning to realize, thanks to the heavenly light, in what error one has lived in the world. 17. We could say a lot more about this and prove without any doubt that the Holy See is the culprit, fully responsible for all our errors. However, what we, at this stage, understand only partly, the Lord Himself sees clearly in the brightest light, and He will have mercy upon us if we forgive from all our heart all those who were, and are still, responsible for all our darkness. That is how I feel about it. What is your opinion?” 18. All the others, with the exception of a few Jesuits, fully agree with the speaker. Chapter 65 – Bishop Martin enlightens the spiritually blind Jesuits 1. Now Bishop Martin takes the Jesuits in hand as they keep scratching their heads and shrugging their shoulders, and he addresses them most bluntly: 2. “Why do you disapprove? Do you know more about these things than your quite sensible companions? I doubt it! But I do know what you are up to and why you have misgivings, and I shall tell you what it is that is still covering your eyes with Moses’ threefold cover. 3. Firstly, there is your original obstinacy, still ruling over your minds and preventing any purer light from entering your hearts. Then there is your false belief that nothing but baptism is needed to be a Christian. The moment somebody has been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, according to your erroneous belief, a Christian is ready-made. And finally, in your arrogance and lust for power, you still imagine yourselves to be the Lord’s true disciples, filled with the Holy Ghost, and equipped with all power by Him to do as you please. 4. Oh, you fools! Whereby can you prove this? Where in the Scriptures is there a text that justifies your folly? Do you believe the Lord has spoken to you antichristians what He has spoken to Peter and His other disciples when He sent them out to preach the Gospel to all nations? It says: ‘Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whatsoever thou shalt bind or loose on earth shall be bound or loosed in heaven.’ 5. Have you ever been in possession of this Holy Ghost? Can the Holy Ghost ever contradict Itself or change an eternal law? Or can It grow wiser and realize that Its original laws are imperfect and have to be superseded by better ones? 6. Did not the Holy Ghost know at the time of the disciples that at a later time various types of monks would be needed to bring men to heaven? That it would need images, relics, shrines, bells, fonts, incense, vestments, cowls, churches, monasteries, chalices, monstrances, Latinusing ministrants, and a thousand other follies to attain heaven? How blind the Holy Ghost must have been that It did not realize already at the time of the disciples how essential all this was for man’s salvation and did not institute it right away! 7. Or would the first Christians, including Peter and Paul, have really been of the devil because they had no churches, bells, Latin masses, requiem, or miraculous images – not even any confession, extreme unction, passing bell, pall, tapers, and so on? 8. Do you really not see the folly of it? Due to our greed and lust for power, and without the least evangelical authority, and contrary to the Word of God and the teachings of the disciples, we created, so to speak, acts of worship, laws, and ceremonies. Don’t you understand that this made us sinners against the Holy Ghost – which sins, it is written, will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in the beyond? 9. If you would for once just superficially compare the pure Word of the Lord with our Roman Catholic nonsense, your eyes would be opened and you would see clearly that Rome is nothing else but Babylon, the mother of harlots, as described in the Revelation and, consequently, we, her priests, are not little angels, but devils in the truest sense of the word. 10. Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, let go all your mundane nonsense, and turn together with me to the one God and Lord, Jesus Christ; and all of you will find salvation! 11. But understand this: Not my poor, though well-meant, advice must determine your decision, but only your own will and the call of your heart !”

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(The link to the book you will find below the video…) 1. A bishop, who had always been very conspicuous for his dignity as well as his dogmas, fell ill for the last time. 2. He, who even still as an assistant priest, had wanted to paint the joys of heaven in the oddest colors and to describe the delights and bliss in the realm of the angels with great enthusiasm, not forgetting to mention hell and purgatory, did not yet desire, even as an old man of almost eighty, to take possession of his much praised heaven. He would have preferred another thousand years on this earth to a future heaven with all its delights and bliss. 3. Therefore, our sick bishop did everything in his power to restore his health. He had to be surrounded by the best physicians. Fairs of power had to be conducted in all the churches of his diocese; all the sheep of his flock were asked to pray for his life. In his sick-room an altar had been erected at which fairs had to be conducted three times every morning to help restore his health, whereas, in the afternoon, three of the most pious monks had to keep praying the breviary in front of the consecrated host. 4. He himself kept uttering: “Oh Lord, have mercy upon me! Holy Mary, beloved mother, help me! Have mercy upon my dignity and grace as prince-bishop for your Son’s glory! Oh, do not forsake your most faithful servant, you helper in need, you sole support of the afflicted!” 5. But all this did not help. Our man fell into a coma from which he did not awaken again in this world. 6. You know of the “highly important”, ceremony for a deceased bishop, and we need not waste any time with its description. Instead, let us look around in the spirit world to see what our man will be doing there. 7. Look, here we are – and there our man can be seen still lying on his bed; while the heart is still warm the angel does not sever the soul from the body. This warmth constitutes the nerve spirit, which has to be wholly absorbed by the soul before complete severance can be undertaken. 8. At last this man’s soul has completely absorbed the nerve spirit and the angel is severing it from his body with the words: “Ephetha – arise thou soul, but thou dust revert to thy decomposition through the kingdom of vermin and decay. Amen.” 9. Already you see our bishop rising in his full bishop’s robes, just as during his lifetime, and he opens his eyes. He looks around in astonishment, not seeing anybody, not even the angel who awakened him. The surroundings are visible only in a fading light, as of late dusk, and the ground seems to be covered with dry alpine moss. 10. Our man is not a little astonished at this unusual situation and says to himself: “What is this? Where am I? Am I still alive or have I died? I must have been seriously ill, and it is quite possible that I am already among the deceased! Oh, for God’s sake, this must be so! Oh holy Mary, St. Joseph, St. Ann you, my three most powerful helpers, come and help me into the Kingdom of Heaven!” 11. He waits for a while, looking around carefully to see from which direction the three will be coming, but they do not come. 12. He calls once more, this time louder, and waits; but still nobody approaches. 13. For the third time he calls, louder still, but again in vain. 14. Now our man begins to feel very scared. He realizes his desperate situation and says: “Oh, for God’s sake, Lord, help me! (This is only his habitual phrase.) What does this mean? I have called three times and no response!” 15. “Am I damned? How can that be, for I do not see any fire nor any devil?” 16. “Oh, oh, oh (trembling). It is truly terrible! So alone! Oh God, if one of these devils turned up now while I’m without a consecrated font or crucifix what will I do?” 17. “And the devil is said to be particularly keen on bishops. Oh, what a desperate situation! I believe the howling and gnashing of teeth is already upon me!” 18. “I will discard my bishop’s robe, so the devil will not recognize me. But maybe that would give him even more power over me! Oh, what a terrible thing death is!” 19. “If at least I were quite dead, then I would not be afraid, but this being alive after death is so terrible!” 20. “I wonder what would happen if I walked on? No, no, I’d rather stay here. What consequences a step in the dark might have only God knows. Therefore, I would rather remain here until Doomsday, in the name of God and the Blessed Virgin!” …

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Since also the great lords of the world have to die, against the utterly disagreeable peculiarity of their lives they have still not been able to establish an insurance company, having failed to achieve it despite all their politicking and diplomacy, also our minister had to finally make up his mind to exchange the temporal with the eternal. 2. For such people dying is the most unpleasant event in the world, but it is of little concern to the angel of death. With whomsoever he finds the well-calibrated measure full, him he takes without grace and pardon. 3. Our minister, a man revered by all the world on account of his worldly intellect, was in his later years thrown onto his sickbed by a catarrhal fever with gout, which tormented him for half a month, and the more it hurt, the more medicines he took in order to remedy this evil. Towards the end he became angry and threatened the physicians with arrest, unless they would or could restore him to health soon. 4. However, instead of carrying out his threat, he sank on the sixteenth day of his illness into a coma from which he did not awaken in this world, except one hour shortly before his death. In this hour he made a brief last will as to what should be done with his considerable property, whereby the poor, as usual with such people, were only considered in a beggarly mariner, for what are a few thousand guilders compared to several millions bequeathed? 5. Thus also the Church was favored pro forma with a bequest, however, not out of some blind faith – for such a person has seldom any faith or none at all and all he ever does is pure politics – but only, as aforementioned, because policy demands it. 6. Having made this last will, he sank back on his bed and was dead, without taking confession and Communion, of which act he anyway – as far as he was concerned – did not think much. This meant for him the end forever for this world; and so we will not stay any longer with his corpse, but will at once proceed to the “beyond” to find out how our very proud and aristocratic man behaves there. 7. You see, we are already there, and our man is standing in his complete official robe before us and four veiled angel spirits, where he only sees the latter. The locality is represented by his very state cabinet, where he had intended to attend to some important business. 8. Now he sees the four clearly in his secret cabinet and can hardly contain his anger over the extreme audacity of these four “rascals”, as he thinks. Jumping up and reaching for the bell he tries to ring it, but the bell gives no sound. 9. “Treason! High treason!” He shouts as loudly as he can. “How did you miserable scoundrels manage to enter this cabinet, which is accessible only to me and where the most secret and holy mysteria of the state are worked at and kept? Do you know that such high treason is punishable by death? Which of you has tampered with this bell that now, in this decisive moment, it cannot utter a sound? Confess, you villains, which of you was the ringleader?” 10. The first angel speaks: “Listen patiently and attentively to what I shall now tell you! I am well acquainted with the wise rule according to which no man on earth, except the king, can enter this cabinet. If you were still on earth, you would not have beheld us in this spot. But you see, you have now died in your physical body and are now in the spirit world, where there is only one Lord, whereas all other spirits are brothers, good and bad ones, depending on how they have acted on the earth, in a good or evil manner. Thus we have been given the loving right and duty by the Lord to visit everyone offering him our services, provided he is still, like you, accessible to us. 11. The commission to you through us of the one Lord is therefore, to inform and reveal to you that here in this eternal world all worldly honor and status, including all politics have ceased to exist; and this cabinet, your robe and all your presumed important state documents are only a deception and have sprung from your fantasy, which is still clinging excessively to the world and will disappear as soon as you will follow us. If you follow us, you will have an easy path to the true, eternal realm of life, where there is immeasurable, uncountable bliss; if, however, you refuse to follow us, you will find it extremely difficult to attain to the living Kingdom of God. For you see, with God’s permission you were a great man in the world and had great power. However, through this power the lust for power has awakened mightily in you and this has led you into many a thing not grounded in the divine order. Besides, this worldly power, as lust for power, has also robbed you in many cases of the love for your neighbor and has rendered you totally unsuitable for the Kingdom of God. 12. But you see, the Lord knows what a heavy burden you had to carry and is feeling great pity for you. So He sent us to you, so that you might be saved and lifted up and not perish under your great worldly burden, which you brought along. Do not think here about a judgment; for in the realm of the freedom of spirit there is no judgment and no judge, except the innate free will of every human being! Do not think of hell either. It is nowhere, except in every person, if that person creates it within himself through his own evil. At the same time, do not think of a heaven as the promised reward for good works. Let the Word of the Lord Jesus be your will, seek Him alone through it! Once you have Him, you have all the heavens and a totally different might out of love than you used to have in the world on account of your worldly cleverness and high position. Now you know everything; do what your free will allows you in the name of the Lord Jesus. Amen.” 13. The minister says: “Truly, your speech is wise and is my token that everything is as you say. It is now also completely clear to me that I have died physically. But I cannot grasp that the certain Jew Jesus should be the sole God and Lord! What then is the “Father” and the “Holy Spirit”? You see, this is not in agreement with the teaching of Jesus, Who was the first to teach everywhere a divine trinity! Therefore, forgive me if I cannot follow you as fast as you desire, unless you quickly convince me of it!” 14. Says the angel: “Brother, this does not happen as fast as you think. First of all, discard your state robe and put on another one of humility and complete self-denial, and you will soon become fully convinced of that which until now appears inconceivable to you.” 15. The minister replies: “Well then, so take me and show me the right way and carefully scrape everything worldly off my soul, and we will see where you stand with your statement.” 16. Now the other three angels step up, divest the man of the state robe, replacing it with ashen-gray, dirty rags. And the second angel now speaks to him: “Now you are dressed in the dress of humility. But this alone is insufficient, for you must be humble in fact. And so follow us!” 17. The man follows and look, they arrive at a farm and tell him: “You see, here lives a harsh man who owns great herds of swine. You shall serve him and be contented with anything he will offer you; and if he is harsh and unjust towards you, you shall bear everything with patience and shall only get satisfaction in the Lord’s grace and mercy.” 18. “If he strikes you, do not strike back; offer him your back, like a slave, as you have often seen – for the sake of military subordination – a poor soldier lie down against his will on the bench and endure the harsh, often utterly unjust punishment. If you will bear all this with the right patience, a better lot will be your share.” 19. Thereupon says the man: “Many thanks for this guidance! Just give me back my state robe, you imposters, I shall certainly find my own way! 20. Look at the rascals! Out of one like me, who counts at least twenty ancestors, they want to make a swineherd without ado! Oh, if only I were still in the world, I would pay you for this so that you would remember! These vagabonds even pose as God’s messengers! No, just wait, being messengers of God will cost you dearly!” 21. You see, the angels return his state robe to him and say: “As you like. There is your earthly garment! If you refuse to walk the roads of life, walk your own; our service with you is finished.” You see into what sort of “water” our man is moving; there he will have to swim until he reaches the Father by turning back like the Prodigal Son. 22. Let everyone beware of the lust for power, for it always has the same consequences. Next time a different example!

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Please visit us with courage and faithfulness… Amen. I asked the Lord… ‘Please, tell me what is going on, Lord?’ Jesus answered… “What’s going on is incredible beyond belief, it is so convoluted. It is beyond believing – and yet it is true. As you say, the truth is stranger than fiction. “Beyond all the Satanic worship, there are Earth changes going on – many precipitated by the ‘clay feet’. Geophysical warfare. Sins against humanity. Heinous, callous, uncaring sins where people are only numbers. And it’s meant to dislodge nations from their national identity and threaten them into the web of evil that is consuming all the nations of the Earth into their identity. “Either you play ball… or your nation gets devastated.” (Clare) I think about Japan here, who hasn’t been cooperative with the ‘clay feet’. As a result has suffered two 8 point something quakes in the last three weeks. Mud slides. Powerful, very powerful typhoon, landslides. Just terrible things with a lot of dead. Unbelievable. And I think it’s all being done by the ‘clay feet’ and their Tesla technology. And I think, Fukushima was retaliation, as well. ‘Cause they wouldn’t go along with ‘the plan’. And actually, there’s another nuclear plant that is in danger right now, in Japan. I don’t know too much about it. (Jesus) “You are thinking of the tsunami, and well you should be. There is a very high possibility that it will be a geopolitical event to cripple America. But not only San Francisco – the East Coast and New York City, as well. Many things are being held back by prayer and fasting. What you have seen in the past will come about; it is merely a matter of time. However, the good people of this nation have been praying and supporting My man for the office of President in order to restore Godly values to this nation – and the battle is ferocious. And it’s nothing new to tell you the Iron & Clay feet have cast their net of evil over the whole world, so that Satan can use it as a drag net, taking souls to Hell. “Time is short, and what is being implemented is tragedy after tragedy for America. But I have not withdrawn My protection, because her people have woken up from a very long sleep in the comfort of their feather beds. Because they have chosen to fight, I have gone to war with them. That does not mean there will be no incidents of suffering. It means I am on their side, and I have already withheld several devastating blows because of the prayers of the citizens. “I receive repentance as a myrrh, offered in solid gold censers. It is to Me the most fragrant of sacrifices, even in remembrance of My childhood, the gifts of the Kings – and the Crucifixion. So many have repented and continue to repent daily, I cannot ignore their entreaties. “This is why I have protected this President and given him great favor in crushing this serpent beneath his feet. I love My people so tenderly. I do not wish for anything to strike them, and I work at encouraging prayer to protect them. But there comes a time when things are in the Father’s hands and it is up to Him from there. “There are many reasons why things happen in this country; it isn’t all political. Some of it has to do with sin, such as the sin of abortion. But because the people are against it, and fighting it actively, the punishment will be much less severe. Still, the blood of the slain innocents calls out to Me night and day, and I cannot ignore it.” “I know you are worried, Clare, but do not let this overtake what’s left of your day. In all things, moderation. And above all… TRUST. “My heart for My people is above all: be ready for Me to take you at any moment. Know the condition of your soul before Me. Know that you are clean and ready to meet Me. Spend time in worship and adoration and do not give your heart and mind to useless pursuits. Do not wait until calamity to settle accounts with Me. Do not dangle your feet over the fence, but be firmly planted on the right side, not toying with sin. “Even though I have worked with all of you for almost four years now, to be ready – still many of you are not ready. Many are caught up in the world and have no idea what could happen to them in the next minute. Therefore, they are not ready for what is coming. “It is good that so many of you have awakened to political events and how your liberties have been severely compromised. It is good to be prepared for emergencies and keep a close watch on those you love. But most important is your relationship with Me. Even if you were overwhelmed in the midst the waters of a tsunami, you have Me to grasp onto. You have assurance of where you are going. “Many are putting off their conversion until it is too late. Do not be caught unaware. Do not drag your feet in repenting for your sins. Do not suppose you have tomorrow to do it. Your life could end this very night, and if you have been delaying your complete conversion for a pet sin – your soul and destiny are in danger. “My Beloved ones, I wait for you day and night to share time with you, to awaken your hearts to My passionate love for you. Most of you avoid Me, because you don’t understand how tenderly and completely and unconditionally I love you or am in love with you. “I have no illusions about your short-comings, but nonetheless, you are so beautiful to Me. A precious creation that has recognized her Creator is beyond value to Me. So many have not recognized Me, that when finally, one does, My heart bursts for joy to be in communion with such a one as this! “If you really got that, you would not drag your feet coming into prayer. You would not be afraid to work on your faults, because I would say to you, ‘Come! Let us reason together. These things are too much for you to handle on your own. Let Me live through you and help you handle them. Let’s do this together, holding hands and working our way through them.’ “That’s My heart – and yet you distance yourself from Me, because of the false guilt, Satan continually accuses you with. All that matters to Me is that we be reconciled. That you finally find your home in My Heart, never to depart from there. In My Heart you hear My voice, feel My emotions, rest in My arms, and be kept from the constant, snapping jaws of wolves and jackals assigned to torment you with false guilt. “This is where I want you to be: in My Heart. Free from disputing, contending, fearing, slinking away in false guilt; free from sin, and continually being kept free from sin. This is your heritage. This is why I died on the Cross to obtain it for you. “Do not waste any more time confessing and repenting of your sins; you do not know what tomorrow holds for you. But if you are in Me, you know that My open arms and heart are always in your tomorrows, and you needn’t fear the plague that destroys at noon, nor the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day. For I will be Your shield and Your Savior. And because you have loved Me, I will protect you.”

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Here follows another early death, that of a young lady of fashion, who during a ball indulged too much in dancing with a view to securing a young and rich bridegroom. Instead, she only gained an early death. 2. A young, physically very attractive girl of nineteen years was invited to attend a grand society ball, which invitation she gladly accepted, with the permission of her parents. At once the fashion stores were gone through, which luckily amongst a thousand articles still had one which found the approval of our invited beauty. Now came a visit to a first-class dressmaker with the intention of making the gown not only according to the latest Paris or London fashion, but if possible after the latest fashion of Madrid or New York. In this way she would appear at this glittering ball in an outstanding outfit, thereby arousing the greatest attention and being regarded as of extraordinary appearance. 3. The dressmaker, knowing his client and the dozens of capricious ideas cropping up on such occasions, was in quite a bit of trepidation on account of this order. Therefore, he did his utmost and actually made a masterpiece of a ball gown to the fullest satisfaction of his client; for the gown could be worn without a corset. However, the many fine elastic bands could compress the body to such an extent that our heroine’s waist became thinner than her round neck. 4. This gown according to the New York fashion was actually the cause of her early and very sudden demise. For, being the beauty queen of the ball, she danced with a young, rich dandy, who suited her fancy, so much so that a large blood vessel in her compressed lungs burst. Owing to the enormous loss of blood, she was dead in a few minutes. 5. When she broke down on the dance floor and a stream of blood gushed from her rosy mouth – to the horror of all girls and ladies, who were also tightly corseted -her parents, relatives and doctors came running, undressed her, poured icy cold water onto her and gave her medicine, which she, being totally dead, could no longer take. 6. Everybody wept and lamented loudly. The parents and the attentive dandy of a lover tore their hair in despair. Some cursed such a fate, others again pitied the unfortunate one. Many left the dance hall caring a reminder home, but of course not much better than the sparrows that are scattered by a shot from the roof. 7. In this case we shall not see much that is of interest in the spirit world. Notwithstanding all this, you shall see how such transitions proceed in the spirit world. 8. Look, there is our heroine still crouched down on the bloodspattered floor, and there at a little distance you see an angel spirit standing with crossed arms. His countenance shows dejection, meaning a kind of sadness, which such a guardian spirit feels in cases of extreme human folly, where he can no longer help the people with his loving care. 9. What will this mourning angel be doing here? You see, he approaches the girl, who is also in the spirit world recognizable as a corpse. Now he has reached her and says: “O you foolish being! What shall I now awaken in you, since everything is dead within, wherever I turn my eyes? O Lord, look graciously down! Here the strength is not sufficient with which you have endowed me; therefore, do stretch out Your almighty hand and do to this foolish girl according to Your liking!” 10. Now look, there comes another, fiery-looking angel! Now he is there, and look, his fire seizes the dead girl and consumes her instantly to ashes. (In the natural/material world this cannot be observed, since this act concerns only the soul/body or: psychic body.) Now something in the ashes begins to stir. The angel is praying over these ashes. The last words of his prayer are: “Lord, Your will be done!” 11. Now the second angel leaves the ashes, which are more and more stirred up, but the first angel remains. This stirring is nothing else but a new gathering together of the totally destroyed, scattered and utterly deranged soul specifica and is directly effected through My power. Now we shall see at once what is left over from this girl’s soul! 12. Look, a dark-gray little cloud is rising! The little cloud takes on more and more form. And now look, there we have a form! You can compare it with nothing else on earth. The head looks like that of a bat, the body like that of a giant grasshopper, the hands are like the feet of a goose and the feet like those of a stork! How do you like this fashion, being the fruit of that worldly one? The fashion is not what is so extraordinary; but it is a different matter that this foolish girl, quasi a suicide, will hardly ever enter the luminous realms of heaven! 13. It may take hundreds of years till she will attain a human form, and then only in a most painful manner. Afterwards she will be in the spirit-realm, as what the albinos are on earth, namely, she will shun the light. 14. With this one, nothing further can be seen and learnt, so another example next.

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This is the last hour and the early death of a dandy, who apart from tobacco smoking, gambling, gluttony, drink, paying court to all the better looking females and being an excellent dancer and player of waltzes for the sake of this beautiful world, did not know much, although he had spent almost all his time at colleges and universities. The dandy demonstrated here was the son of rather wealthy parents, who, of course, allowed their promising, enormously spoilt son to take up all sorts of studies as soon as he had mastered the ABC. 2. So that the tender boy during the difficult learning of the Latin language should not do too badly, he was given into a very good boarding-house, where he had plenty to eat and could grow; however, not in wisdom and in favor with God and men, but only in body. And so that he should not waste away with all this heavy learning, he was allowed to repeat each year in case he could not finish – naturally in the easiest manner – a grade in one year. For this purpose the professors, particularly in the lower grades, were heavily bribed and for every subject a goodhearted instructor was taken on. 3. In this way our student narrowly made it through the lower grades, only his head benefited little or nothing in this manner. As a consequence, he continually failed to pass in the higher grades. And since he had no great liking for learning, he applied himself mainly to the above mentioned free arts, namely smoking, gambling, gluttony, drinking etc. 4. Having gone through his studies and passed everywhere with just fair marks, he tried his hand in lawyer’s offices, but the air reeking of paper and ink did not agree with him. He was always given so much money by his mother, that he could live the life of a gentleman also without a lawyer’s office. At the same time, he courted all the daughters of better houses and proposed to many, so that with all the prospects of matrimony held out to them, many a sweet girl ended up “expecting” without the marriage bond. 5. Apart from these beauties, whom he instilled with disagreeable, but living “hope”, our “government official” also favored other females, whom he could have at any time for little money, without the promise of marriage and the fear of impregnating these beauties. 6. And so it sometimes happened that he was infected with Syphilis in all degrees, finally so much so that even the most experienced doctors in this field could no longer help him. The consequence of this disorderly conduct was a general drying up of the natural vital juices, for which evil I, the Lord, at the creation of the world, alas, had completely forgotten to create a “healing herb”. And so our dandy nolens, volens had to prepare himself for death. Certainly a rather disagreeable procedure for a fashionable man, who loved the world and its sweet pleasures. But as it so happens, everyone must go the way of the flesh. And finally also this dandy, whose greatest earthly bliss was the flesh, was all the more forced to walk the true “way of the flesh”. 7. Just look towards his smelly bed, where he twists and turns gasping for air and water. But he is no longer able to get any into his stomach, for all the ligaments of his gullet are dried out and unable to draw even a drop of water into the stomach. His breath is short and very painful, since the lungs are almost completely dry. His voice is also quite broken. He is only able to utter a few painful, half-expressed words, the sound of which is like that of a bassoon in the hands of a pupil. And although he tries to curse like a dandy and to stammer a few learned phrases from Voltaire or Sir Walter Scott, the general dryness of his system does not allow it and the strong pains in all his vital parts leave him not even the time to concentrate his thoughts once more on one point. Therefore, he lies there gasping, only sometimes uttering a piercing, rasping bassoon sound from his completely dried out throat. 8. You see, this is how the end of such libertines often turns out in this world! However, since there is nothing more to be observed with this dandy in this world and, as you express it, death is about to claim him any moment, we will turn at once to the beyond and see how our man will arrive there. 9. Look, his bed is exactly like the one he had in the world. He still lies there like before, but at the same time you see by his bed only an angel with a flaming torch, destroying the dandy’s last vital drops with its spiritual flame! 10. The reason why there is only one angel with such people is because their soul and spirit are completely dead. Only the angel of death, who governs the flesh and the nerve spirit, is here to torment and burn the flesh and the nerve spirit, thereby collecting the scattered remnants of the soul and the equally scattered spirit in the nerve spirit, in this way preventing the dying person from eternal death. 11. He (the angel) will not speak to this man, but will only burn him with his torch from the natural world into the spirit world. This usually happens, and must happen, with such people, for without this last act of grace they would lose their whole being. 12. This act is like the distorted pagan act in the fable of Prometheus. For the more spiritual original people observed such performances in the spirit world which, to be sure, were indescribably rarer than in this time, which is far more voluptuous than Sodom and Gomorrah. So a few of their fables survived, only distorted beyond measure after a few thousand years. 13. Here the same Prometheus appears – as he acted in reality. But look, now the solitary angel has brought his work to a good end. The flesh of our dandy is burnt to ashes through and through, and observe, out of the ashes, quite slowly and idly – not a glorious, rejuvenated bird Phoenix, oh no, but look – only a silly monkey, looking like an old decrepit baboon, is rising! He is quite dumb, but he can see a little. 14. The animal form is due to the fact that such people during the course of their debauched life totally waste the finer human soul specific particles through their lust, retaining only the coarser animal ones. In this case at least the monkey soul remained. But there are others, who have spoilt themselves down to the ugliest of amphibians. 15. With this man the “water of his life” cannot be determined as yet, for he must now, as you say, “go into pasture”. There he will be handed over to spirits, who are placed in charge of such degenerated animal souls. Perhaps they will achieve that, with all diligence in a hundred years, this soul will again attain a human form. 16. It is not possible to say more of this.

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Here we are again, at the deathbed of a man, who was very rich, managed his wealth justly, brought up his children in the best possible manner and with all that always gave freely to the poor – of course also now and again for a so-called jolly hour to those poor but young harlots, who can be had for such jolly things for a ducat. Besides, he held the Holy Scriptures in great esteem, reading often and diligently in them and firmly believing that Jesus was actually Jehovah. All this he learnt from the works of Swedenborg, all of which, with the exception of a few minor books, he had read. 2. Such literacy made him also flare up whenever he heard someone talk indifferently or even in a belittling manner of Jesus; and if he met such an “Antichrist” among his company, this person did well to leave early or else had to expect evil consequences, even physical attacks. In short, our man was a perfect paragon of pure Christianity. 3. This man fell ill at a rather advanced age after a great banquet where he had too much to eat, but particularly because after the meal, his blood being stirred up owing to the many strong wines imbibed, he cohabited twice with a young, voluptuous harlot. 4. When our man came home after this expedition, he felt a slight dizziness, which he mistook for intoxication. And as soon as he tried to get into bed, his legs failed him. He collapsed and was instantly completely dead, as you say. 5. It goes without saying that his loved ones, in great alarm, at once tried everything to revive the householder. But it was a vain effort, for whatsoever has once been picked up by angel spirits, will not wake up again for this world. 6. Therefore, not much more can be seen and heard in this world of this man, and so we will proceed at once to the spirit world and see how our man fits in, what he is going to do and where he turns to. 7. First of all you must know that people who have suffered a stroke do not know and are not in the least aware of the fact that, and how, they have died. They find no change, neither in their household, as it was on earth, nor in their physical well-being, except that they are quite healthy, which they have usually been in the world also. As well, they fail to see angels, although these are close by, and they see nothing at all of the spirit world in which they are certainly and completely. In short, in everything they are still, as it were, in the world. They eat and drink, living where they always lived, in their house and within the circle of their family, where they miss no member of their family. 8. Thus it was and is exactly the same case with our man – look, already in the spirit world. He gets into bed in good spirits in his well-known bedroom, which is in every detail identical with the one on earth. See how comfortably he stretches out on his bed seeking and expecting sleep! But this single detail makes our man somewhat puzzled, namely, that this time he cannot find any sleep, for sleep is unknown to spirits. Although they have a corresponding condition, which is there called rest, essentially it has not the slightest resemblance to the earthly sleep. 9. Now let us listen to our man personally and see how he is behaving in his new condition and what he thinks of it. Listen to what he is now saying while in his bed: “You, Lini, are you asleep?” Lini (his wife) sits up in bed and asks: “What do you want, dear Leopold, is anything the matter with you?” (Wife and children and others belonging to the household are represented as it were undercover by specially commissioned angels). Says the man: “No, nothing is the matter, I am quite well, heaven be praised. Only sleep, not the slightest resemblance to sleep is there. Go and give me my sleeping pills; I shall swallow a few, perhaps it will be all right then.” 10. Lini gets up and fulfils her husband’s will. But although the pills have been swallowed, sleep will not come. 11. After a while the man says: “Lini, go, give me a few more, for you see, I still cannot find any sleep. Instead of more sleepy, I am becoming more and more lively.” 12. Lini says: “Go on, forget the pills; you could easily spoil your stomach with them. Instead, make love to me, and you will perhaps have a better chance to sleep, since you want to sleep at all costs.” 13. Says the man in some consternation: “Yes, dear Lini, concerning the act, it may have its difficulty with me. For you know from long experience that I am never disposed to it after a great feast. For in that case, nature refuses to cooperate. So give me a few more pills instead!” 14. Says the wife: “Strange, my dear husband! But rumor has it that the rich, pious Leopold after such feasts usually goes to one Cilli, making love to her so that a youth could take an example from him. But if later the faithful, somewhat more aged Lini points out to him that she is Leopold’s wife and sometimes for certain reasons cannot find any sleep either, Leopold has always a thousand theosophical, philosophical and God knows what reasons with which to appease the wife’s justified and anyway rarely made demands. Look, Leopold, you friend of truth, how do you feel in secret when you utter such despicable and truly hypocritical lies to me, your always most faithful wife? How often you painted to me the ignominy of adultery in the most glaring colors! What do you say for yourself, if I can prove to you beyond doubt that you yourself are an adulterer?” 15. Says the husband, quite taken aback: “Lini, dear wife, how is it that you know such deeds of mine? Truly, this I could have done only heavily intoxicated, and if I did it, I count on your Christian patience with my human weakness, hoping you will not use it to dishonor our whole house! Be reasonable, dear wife, be reasonable and stop talking about it. You see, I still love you exceedingly. Just be good again, be good, my dear Lini wife, and I shall never again do this in all my life!” 16. Says Lini: “I believe that too. If someone has lived all his life like that, deceiving his faithful wife at least every two weeks and even contracting several times a nasty sickness, it will certainly be time to forget such actions, of which Scripture says: “Whoremongers and adulterers will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!” Do tell me, my in all theosophy well-informed husband, what would you do if the Lord should suddenly call you away? How about your blissfulness in that case? Or do you have a written statement by the Lord, saying that He will let you love until your thorough betterment? I do not want to say anything on account of one Cilli, but what shall I say about the unmistakable amorous attachment to our own eldest daughter, which prior to her marriage you demonstrated in a manner as to imprint on your theosophical forehead an indelible blemish before God and all people, provided they knew about it? Or what will God say about it?” 17. Says the husband, even more startled: “O wife, you are beginning to torment me in earnest. Of course, it is, alas, justified, for it would be more than silly of me to deny it. But it is still hurtful and I fail to comprehend how you, who as far as I know in all our married years never made mention of it, suddenly open all locks trying to downright destroy me?” 18. “Consider that we human beings are all weak in our flesh, even though we have the willing spirit, and you will easily forgive me all my weaknesses! Remember that the Lord did not condemn the adulteress, and so also a repentant adulterer will surely find mercy with Him. Therefore also you, dear wife, do not judge me, for I certainly confess and repent my great sin against you as well as the grievous sin against our married daughter. May the Lord Jesus forgive me, as you are forgiving me.” 19. The phantom wife says: “Well then, let all that has happened be forgiven you in full. But see that from now on you no longer abuse your pretended weakness, or you will derive little blessing from this fullest forgiveness on my part! Therefore, I shall bear with you for some time more – and see! But you will not ever sleep, for look and listen: you are no longer on the earth, but here in the world of spirits! And I, whom you mistook for your often mad wife, am not your wife, but – observe – I am your Lord and your God! Remain as you are, if you like; however, if you want to progress, follow Me out of this your old phantom room!” 20. The man recognizes Me and falls on his face before Me, speechless. 21. But I say to him: “Raise yourself up; for your love is greater than your sin, and thus everything is forgiven you! However, with Me you cannot as yet take your abode, as long as anything earthly is clinging to you. But look, angels are standing there in readiness, who will guide you on the right paths. And when your earthly house will be smitten with want and poverty by your guides, you will find a new abode with Me forever. Amen!” 22. You see, this is again another “water”. Some remain for a longer time in the natural state like the one of our man. The reason why it was so short was because he did many loving and good deeds while on the earth and because he immediately showed earnest remorse for his transgression.

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From Hell to Heaven... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=Robert_Blum Spiritual Sun online... https://search.jesus-comes.com/index.php?title=The_Spiritual_Sun Jesus' Revelations thru Jakob Lorber... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/jakob-lorber-pdfs/ Jesus' Revelations thru Gottfried Mayerhofer... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/category/english/53-sermons-of-jesus/ The Third Testament in various Languages... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/das-dritte-testament-the-third-testament-el-tercer-testamento/ LoveLetters from Jesus... https://jesus-comes.com/index.php/liebesbriefe-von-jesus-love-letters-from-jesus/ Trumpet Call of God... https://awakeningforreality.com/latest-video-and-audio-letters-neuste-video-und-audio-briefe/ Scene 2 – An Astronomer & Scholar is dying… Jesus elucidates Written on 2 August 1847 by Jakob Lorber Let us go to the sickbed of a scholar, for the preservation of whose life – as you like to say – there is no longer a herb growing. There we look at this second famous man and see how he spends the last hours of this life, how he awakens in the beyond and into what direction his love points him. The man whom we shall put under scrutiny was in the world a philosopher as well as an astronomer “in optima forma”, as you say. In his great zeal to investigate the stars, this man has reached an age of seventy-odd years. On a very cold winter’s night, while watching the stars, he caught a cold and was found almost frozen stiff at his telescope. Taken to his warm lodgings by his friends, he was provided with the best possible medical care, so that after a few hours he had rallied sufficiently to make known to his friends his so-called last will and testament, which was as follows: “In the name of the inscrutable Deity! Not knowing how long the inscrutable Fate will allow a man to hang on to this miserable life and not knowing what will replace it, this is my will. First of all I want you, my dear friends, if I should die, to preserve my body through embalmment and take it in a well-made copper coffin to a vault containing several of my most esteemed colleagues, who as it were are waiting for me. But the entrails, which are first to decay, preserve in alcohol in a special urn and display them in my museum in a conspicuous spot. In this way I win live on at least in the memory of the people, since there is no hope of survival after physical death anyway. As for my property, you, my friends, know anyway that in this world a scholar rarely ever has more than is absolutely necessary for his daily spiritual and physical sustenance, and so it is now with me as it has always been. I have never had any money and can, therefore, leave none. Soon after my demise sell what I have to leave, so that you can do with the money what I first asked you to do. When I am deceased, inform my three children, who are all well provided for; the eldest son, my favorite child, who follows in my footsteps, shall inherit my books and writings in their entirety and as soon as feasible arrange for the publication of my unedited writings. This is my last will concerning this beautiful stellar world, which henceforth I shall no longer behold and consider. Oh, what a miserable being man is! Full of noble ideas, full of hopes for a beyond while he is still treading the earth as a healthy man, but before the open grave all that evaporates like the dreams and imaginings of a child and their place is taken by the sad reality, namely death as the last moment of our existence and with it, annihilation which knows no limits! Oh friends, it is a heavy, terrible thought to pass from “existence” to “non-existence” for the one who, like I, now stands at the open grave! My innermost is calling out to me: you die, you are dying! Only a few minutes, and the black night of eternal, limitless annihilation has seized your whole being!” Oh friends, this call is horrifying for the one standing on the brink of the grave, looking with one eye at the dear beautiful stars and with the other at the eternal, dead night, where no idea enlivens the decaying ashes, no consciousness, no memory! Where will this dust have been blown to in a thousand years? Which gale will unravel it from its grave, which wave of the ocean or which other, new grave will swallow it? Oh friends, give me a drink, for I am terribly thirsty. Give me a consolation to lessen my great fear! Give me of the best wine, so that I refresh myself once more and, intoxicated, find it easier to wait for the terrible death! Oh you horrible death, you greatest disgrace for the majestic human spirit, which has created such glorious things and made discoveries to its greatest honor! This spirit must now die, the greatest disgrace is its reward: death, eternal annihilation! Oh Fatum, Oh Deity, having created eternal stars, why not create an immortal human being? Oh folly, how great you must be in the Deity to take a pleasure in creating what is most noble only to destroy it again forever or to form ignominious worms or infusorian out of human beings! Must I die? Why must I die? What did I do, what did millions do to deserve death? Truly, a better creation could have been established in a madhouse than this mortal one by a supposedly wise Deity!” Here the surrounding friends and doctors admonish our astronomer to calm down, if he wants to recover. For it was nowhere written that he had to die because of this certainly very heavy cold; on the other hand, such mighty emotional upsets could in all earnest cost him his life. This admonition had little effect on our astronomer, for he flared up even more and said in great excitement: “Away, away with your help! Away with this miserable accursed life! If man cannot live forever, life is the greatest and most disgraceful deception, and death and non-existence only the truth. The wise man must be embarrassed about such a sham life lasting from today till tomorrow. Therefore, I will no longer live! This most miserable life now disgusts me a thousand times more than the most miserable death. Therefore, give me poison, give me the strongest poison, so that I can get rid of this sham life as soon as possible. A curse on such a life, such a gnat’s life, and eternal shame to the primordial force or Deity or whatever sort of sewer spirit it may be, which could not or would not give a life to the noble man which would compare favorably with the stars in duration also. So away with this life, away with this divine deception! If it cannot give a better life to man, why should man care for it; let it keep such a life! Good-bye, my dear friends. I am dying, I want to die, yes I must die, for as a most noble human spirit I could now no longer bear the shame of this sham life!” Here the doctors again admonish our astronomer to calm down. But he falls silent, not saying another word. The doctors give him musk, but he flings it away. They entreat him to take medicine, but he talks less and less and begins to gasp for air. He is given massage in an attempt to rouse him from his lethargy, but in vain. After some time the death rattle subsides, but it is replaced by a strong delirium – as it appears to the world, in which the astronomer says the following words with a hollow, shrieking voice: “Where are you, which I loved so much, you beautiful stars? Are you ashamed of me, hiding your lovely countenance from me? Oh, do not be ashamed of me, for the same fate, which has now come upon me, is in store for you. Also you will die as I have now died. But for this do not be angry with the weak Creator, as I was angry with Him. You see, He surely had the best intention, but too little wisdom and power, wherefore all His works are so feeble and perishable. He would certainly have done better if He had never created anything, thereby making only a fool of Himself before us, His wise created beings; for an imperfect work cannot be traced back to a perfect Master. Therefore, no more recriminations for the poor fellow of a Creator, Who will in the end have to do to sustain Himself beyond the limitless transience of all His works. Oh you poor Creator! Only now can I see that you are surely a thoroughly good being and would have the greatest joy Yourself, if Your creation had been a greater success, but “ultra posse nemo tenetu” (nobody can go beyond his capabilities). A scoundrel who tries to do more than he can. You, however, did not go beyond Your capabilities, and so you are no scoundrel! Oh you good man Jesus, who has given to the world the wisest moral teaching together with many a pseudo miracle! You too relied too much on your presumed God – Father, who then forsook you owing to his evident weakness exactly when it would have been time to support you with an omnipotence scattering your enemies like chaff! When you were hanging on the pillory, it was surely too late to exclaim: “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me!” For you see, your God has had to forsake you long ago because he lost the power to support you, as well as now me. He did what he could, and would have liked to do more, but, you see, also here the “ultra posse nemo tenetur” still holds good. Oh, but this is ridiculous. Now I have died, but I am still alive, like a deceived donkey. The funniest part is that I am under the impression that it is a sheer impossibility ever to die! But where did the earth glide to, and where are my good friends? I hear and see nothing except myself alone. At the same time I am fully conscious, my memory clearly reaching far back beyond my mother’s womb. It is truly strange! Should the Deity try to show me that It can achieve more than I have expected of It lately? Or is my body still alive at the last moment of its annihilation, my present life resembling the after-glow of those suns which became extinct trillions of years ago and live on only in the emanation of the light through the infinite space? However, as for such a sham life, which, mathematically thinking, must last forever, because the emanating ray can never meet a finite border and can therefore never be completely extinguished, I am now only too clearly aware, indeed, a thousand times more clearly than of anything in my whole earthly life. Only, as mentioned before, that I hear nothing and see nothing but myself. Oh, oh, quiet now! It seems to me as if I heard a low murmur, a whisper! Also a light, very sweet sleep is trying to overwhelm me. Yet it is no sleep, no, no, it is only like awaking from a sleep?! But now quiet, quiet; I hear voices from afar, voices I know, well-known voices! Quiet, they are coming, they are coming closer!” Here our astronomer fell completely silent, not even moving his lips. From this the friends and doctors surrounding him concluded that this meant his end was near; and anyway half the speech rendered here was heard by those present more like a gasping shrieking than an articulated expression of a presumed inner fantasy of the dying organism. The doctors went to any length to revive him – but in vain – and allowed the astronomer who, they thought, had sunk into the most profound lethargy, to rest, waiting to let nature take its course. However, they waited in vain, for nature affected nothing but the soon occurring real death. Where for the doctors the “ultima linea rerum” (the ultimate goal of things) is reached, they take their leave. And we too take our leave, but not like the doctors but like spirits, who can follow the just deceased man also into the beyond and observe what he will do there and where he will turn. Look, he is still, just as in the world, on his bed and apart from the three angels mentioned no one is present. And over there, behind the three messengers there is Somebody Else! Listen, he is still talking, saying: “You see, now I hear nothing again. What sort of acoustic deceptions had there been? Hm, hm, now everything is as quiet as a mouse. Do I still exist or am I dead? Oh, I am under no circumstances dead, for I have sensations, have the clearest awareness, thinking, remembering everything I have ever done in every detail, only the night, the night, the accursed night, which will not go! I must try to call out aloud for fun’ s sake, perhaps somebody will hear me for fun’s sake?! Hallo! No one near who could help me out of this night? Help me, if someone happens to be in my vicinity!” Now messenger A speaks up saying to B: “Brother, lift him out of his grave!” And messenger B bends over the astronomer and speaks: “Let there be what the Lord of all life and existence wants in all eternity: rise from your earthly grave, you earthly brother!” You see, in an instant the astronomer rises and his body falls back like a dissolving mist! But the astronomer calls out: “Brother, since you have pulled me out of the grave, pull me also out of my night!” And the messenger C speaks: “Thus it is from eternity the Lord’s will that all His created beings, and particularly His children, shall have light and walk in clear vision in the light. So open your immortal eyes and look and see what you will like. So be it.” Now for the first time in the spiritual world the astronomer opens his eyes and sees his surroundings clearly. And he is very happy to see, according to his idea, people again and the ground on which he stands. But now he asks: “Dear friends, where are you? And where am I? For on the one hand this looks very familiar and on the other hand very strange. Besides, I feel so light and unusually healthy and do not quite understand how I got here and how the power of your words made me seeing. For I was stone-blind in earnest.” Angel A speaks: “You have died for the world according to the body and are now – forever alive according to your soul and your spirit – here in the actual true world of life of the spirits. We three are angels of the Lord, sent to you to awaken you and guide you on the right road to the Lord, your God and our God, to your Father full of love, patience and mercy, Who is our Father also, holy, exceedingly holy, Whom in your last hour on earth you called “a weak Deity”, since you were blind, and Who forgave you everything because you were blind and weak. Now you know everything, do accordingly, and you will be forever exceedingly blissful, like we are!” The astronomer says: “Brothers, friends of God, lead me wherever you like and I will follow you! But if ever I should have the endless grace of beholding God, do strengthen me mightily. For I am feeling forever to miserable, despicable and worthless to bear this most holy sight. But there I see somebody else who regards us in a most friendly manner. Who is this Glorious One? Surely also a messenger of the heavens?” Angel A says: “Yes, probably a messenger of all the heavens. Go to Him, the road is short. He Himself will reveal it to you.” The astronomer goes; and the certain Somebody goes to meet him and says: “Brother, do you not know Me?” And the astronomer replies: “How should I know you, since I see you for the first time? Who are you, dear, glorious brother?” The Most Friendly One speaks: “Look at My stigmata. You see, I am your weak Jesus and come to meet you to help your weakness with My weakness, for if I were to meet you with My strengths, you would have no life. You see, every beginning life is a tender plant, which cannot live without air, but the gale kills the life of the plant. Thus I too am only a tender breeze which meets you to revive you fully, not a gale to destroy you. Love Me as I have loved you from eternity, and you will have the true eternal life.” Speaks the astronomer: “O You my most beloved Jesus! So it is You, Who gave the most glorious teaching to the dwellers of the earth and was crucified for it?! Oh, teach me also the right path leading to God, which you taught. You shall not ever be crucified for it by me! However, if possible, let me at the same time contemplate in full clarity the great creation, which has been my main concern all my life.” Speaks Jesus: “Your road to God will not be far if you will enter it at once. If, however, you at first want to travel through your stars, you will have a long road. Now choose what you prefer!” Speaks the astronomer: “My most beloved Jesus, you see, I am far from being ready for God. So if you can, help me to mature in the stars.” Speaks the Lord: “It will be done to you according to your love! Choose one out of these three angels, who will guide you and will show you at the end of your journey who your presumed Jesus is, Whom you know as a man who was crucified.” Here you can again see how this astronomer is looking for his “water” in which alone he wants to swim towards Me, not heeding the fact that I had already been with him and he with Me! Therefore, beware of the too learned water of the astronomers and geologists, for it does not draw to Me, but after the love of science! This longer example for this purpose. Amen.

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It is also intended to answer criticism declaring certain scenes and phrases incompatible with the divine inspiration of these dictations – without considering that the soul in the beyond, prior to uniting with its spirit, cannot think, talk and act otherwise. Here the statement: … “Some scenes are here rendered pictorially and verbally as they really take place in the spirit world, so as to give clear proof to the reader of this revelation of the following fact: man, after the shedding of his body, remains exactly the same person as to his outward appearance, his language, his opinions, his habits, behavior, inclinations and passions. This applies also to his actions arising from the latter. All this is so until he has achieved the full spiritual rebirth. Therefore, this condition after transition is called the “natural (material) spirituality”, while a fully reborn spirit finds himself in the condition of the “pure spirituality”. However, the locality is always a reflection of the true inner nature of the spirits concerned”… May this hint be of help to the new reader of the presented scenes in the beyond and of the great works on the beyond which because of their volume, appear as separate works. Brother A. wants to know how the transition from the material to the spiritual life or the so-called life in the beyond takes place, particularly with the worldly great. This transition can be quite easily and naturally described. You see, what difference does it make to the water, as to whether an important man or a poor, insignificant one falls into it? Listen, both will drown in the same manner! Or what distinction does the fire make? Listen, it will consume the emperor as well as the beggar! If a beggar and a minister or emperor were to fall from a tower at the same time, both the one and the other will come to his death through his sudden fall. What distinction does the grave make between great and little, between rich and poor, beautiful and ugly or young and old? You see, none at all! Everything decays and becomes the filth of worms and, finally, insignificant dust. As the body fares in the realm of the so-called natural forces, the soul fares in the realm of the spirit. Whether it was a beggar or an emperor on earth, in the realm of spirits this is completely irrelevant. No one is given special treatment. In this way no one’s pride is nourished and the great man is no longer blinded by his greatness and the poor man – having suffered much hardship in the world – no longer by his claim on the Kingdom of Heaven, nor the pious by his expected reward of the Kingdom of Heaven. As often mentioned, in the beyond – mind you – in the beyond nothing but the purest love is of value. Everything else is like rocks thrown into the ocean, where the diamond sinks down into the eternal, stinking slime, just like the most common sandstone. In themselves they remain what they are and what they were outside of the ocean, but their fate is the same, only with the difference that the sandstone is dissolved sooner than the diamond. This applies in the beyond also to the worldly nobility or to the worldly lowliness. In the ocean slime of the inexorable eternity they will continue for a long time, fancying to be what they once were in the world. There the emperor will fancy to be emperor and the beggar, with the claim for compensation, a beggar. In spite of that, in the great Reality both will share the same fate in the ocean slime of eternity. Only the poor man should go through fermentation sooner, where his nature will be filled sooner with the true, innermost little bubbles of humility, which will then pull him out of the mire, carving him up to eternal light and life, than the emperor or some other great man of the world. You can precisely judge the transition of every human being according to this pattern or this cardinal rule. Therefore, adhere to love, lest you share the common fate one day. Amen, Amen, Amen. Scene 1 – A famous man is dying… Jesus elucidates (28 July 1847) Let us go to the sickbed of a great, very famous man of the world – some hours prior to his transition to eternity and look at his behavior here and his entrance into the beyond and how the two worlds meet and merge with one glance, and you will immediately and clearly see that the aforementioned cardinal rule describes the full truth. You see, this man’s deeds and actions in the world were of such a kind and carried out on such a soil – the resounding echo of which traverses the whole earth like a hissing meteor, so that they drew the eyes of all people to them and, on account of the strong ground echo, were heard on all points of the earth and thoroughly described and discussed pro and contra on so much paper as to cover all Europe with it. Now this great man, this philanthropist, this ardent pseudo fighter for the political and religious interests of his nation, is lying stretched out full length on his bed, full of despair and fear because of the approaching last hour, which he can no longer hope to escape. In a sort of numb, painful confusion he, an atheist in secret, alternately sees the eternal destruction of his existence and feels the presumed pains of decay, for which reason he stipulates for embalmment. Expecting not ever to wake up in the grave, his heart and bowels must be separated from the body and, to prevent these severed parts from boredom, they must be buried in such a spot which is not too infrequently visited by people. In the midst of such devastating thoughts, Catholicism intrudes with its painful threats of hell, at which the man had laughed while expecting to live for a hundred years. But like quickly fleeing furies, they return and plague the heart of the dying man horribly, which is conscious of many a great sin. And so neither communion nor extreme unction, or the many Masses and the loud ringing of the bells can set his heart at rest. In the sight of his soul the flames of hell burn all the more horribly and eternally. Now all his former manly vigor and all his philosophy are at an end and his breaking heart is sinking already into the growing night of death. And the soul, threatened by the greatest fear from all sides, looks with the last gasps for a little spark in the already dying furrows of the heart, which once had so much worldly courage. But everywhere there is emptiness and, instead of consolation, it is faced with eternal destruction or with hell and all its pain. Thus it looks on this side; now let us also take a glance into the beyond. Look, three veiled angels are standing by the identical bedside of our man gazing at him. Now A says to B: “Brother, I think for this one it is over. On this thornbush no earthly grapes will appear. Look how his soul is twisting and wriggling without finding a way out and how stunted the poor spirit in it looks! So reach with your hand into the already rigid intestines and snatch this miserable soul from its night, and I shall breathe at it in the name of the Lord and awaken it for this world. And you, Brother C, lead it then on the Lord’s paths toward its destination according to the freedom of its love. So be it!” Now the Angel B reaches into the bowels of our man and speaks: “In the name of the Lord, awake and become liberated, brother, according to your love. So be it!” On this side, the mortal remains now sink into the dust, but in the beyond a blind soul is rising! But the angel steps up to him and says: “Brother, why are you blind?” And the newly awakened one says: “I am blind. If you can, make me seeing, so that I may learn what has happened to me, for all of a sudden all my pains have left me!” Thereupon A breathes into the eyes of the awakened and he opens them and looks around in amazement. Seeing no one except angel C, he asks him: “Who are you? And where am I? And what has happened to me?” Answers the angel: “I am a messenger of God, of the Lord Jesus Christ, destined to lead you on the Lord’s paths, if you desire it. You, however, are now bodily forever dead for the outer, material world and are now in the spirit world. Two paths are open to you: the path to the Lord in the heavens or the path to the realm of hell. Now, it is completely up to you as to what you will do. For you see, you are here completely free and can do what you like. You will fare well if you let yourself be guided by me. However, if you prefer to be your own master, you are also free to do so. But this much know, namely, that here there is only one God, one Lord and one judge, Who is Jesus, the One Whom they crucified in the world! Adhere to Him alone, and you will attain to the true light and to life. Everything else will be deception and illusion of your own fantasy, in which you are now living hearing this from me.” Thereupon says the awakened one: “This is a new doctrine and in contrast to the doctrine of Rome and therefore a heresy! And you, who are trying to impose it on me in this remote spot, seem to be rather an emissary of hell than of heaven; so leave me alone and do not tempt me any longer.” And the angel C says: “Good, in the name of the Lord Jesus your freedom relieves me of my care for you. Therefore, the light be given to you; so be it!” Then the angel C disappears and the newly awakened one enters his natural-material sphere and is among his acquaintances in the world and hardly remembers what has happened to him. And so he continues to live in the world like before, doing what he used to do and caring little about heaven or hell and even less about Me, the Lord. For all these are for him three vague things held up to ridicule, like a dream, and whosoever should remind him of these things is told to leave him alone. You see, from this first example you can already gather into what kind of “water” our great, famous man has fallen. The following examples will elucidate this matter even further.