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121. Tomer Pappe
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Tomer Pappe: [00:00:00] I basically invite everybody and also all of your listeners, if they're still considering, just give it a, give it a shot. You know, take one month, take, start with two weeks and continue to one month, and then look how, how amazing you feel, and then continue. It doesn't have to be so strict, but what I love about carnivore, and I use it a lot of times, especially with, uh, you know, obesity and things that need urgent care.

Tomer Pappe: So it's like, it's like a urgent, it's first line treatment, carnivore, and then. What, what I really love about it, it's that it's a elimination diet. Everybody knows that. It's like the best way to see if you're susceptible to anything.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tomer Pep. He is a, uh, registered dietitian. He also suffers with, well, he doesn't really suffer with it so much anymore. He's, but he has the diagnosis of type-one diabetes. Tomer great for you to come on. Tell us, tell

Tomer Pappe: us how you've been. Yeah. Thank you very much, Sam. I'm happy to be here. It's Papé, the family name, but I know it's not the easiest one for, uh, in the U.S in America.

Tomer Pappe: Sorry, Papé. Yeah, but tell us what you've learned. Yeah, I'm good, man.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you first discovered carnivore and when you started doing it, and [00:04:00] the changes you've seen in your diagnosis of Type one diabetes.

Tomer Pappe: Basically, I'm a type one diabetic since the age of 11, and today I am nearly thirty-three years old.

Tomer Pappe: And when I started with that, so I was really going through the official guidelines. I, I've been told to eat everything I want not to think about what I eat, just to remember to press on the insulin pump. It was back then to press the right numbers and I. Basically what happens that your numbers and your, uh, blood glucose numbers, they can get from 40 to 400 and it's a whole rollercoaster.

Tomer Pappe: And when you get to these points, you also feel really exerted and you, you exhausted also and your muscles and everything and your brain fog and every other symptom is, um. Really constant with this rollercoaster of blood glucose. And eventually when I got to diabetes ketoacidosis, which which almost cost me in my life, basically, I found that, uh, low [00:05:00] carbohydrate diets.

Tomer Pappe: Uh, can really gain back the control over this, uh, incredible phenomenon that is incredible in a, sometimes in a bad way that people always told me that it's uncontrollable. So that's what gave me the control. And I was also, uh, experi, experimenting with a lot of carnivore diet, of course, and also the low carb diet.

Tomer Pappe: And if some of your listeners, or you may be familiar with. Dr. Richard K. Bernstein, which he basically the father of diabetes. And today he's 90 years old with type one diabetes and he still, um, live and he still practice his medicine in New York, next to New York. In his clinic, still to this day is celebrating 90.

Tomer Pappe: And he given that, uh, basically, uh, to the fact that he, he'd been uh, low carb, low carb for nearly 70 years. So, uh, that's what led me to all of that journey [00:06:00] and that's also what led me to study nutrition, which I'm now certified nutritionist to. Pass that knowledge to any diabetic and anyone in the world actually, that the significant effect that food has on any aspect of my life.

Tomer Pappe: You know, it affected my, uh, emotions, my mood, my relationship with people, with the people I love, with my family. They noticed the change. They noticed that I'm much more concentrated. I'm much more sharp. I can sleep less and walk for 12, 14 hours a day and even to walk out in the time. And, uh, I got it completely under control, and my blood glucose is now for almost eight years, is completely predictable, which that that is the real gift of this diet.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what made you discover this? Like what, what was the, the thing when you're like, and, and what was the feeling in your mind when you first thought. Wait, I, I don't need to eat any carbs. Like I've been lied to my whole life. They told me, you know, the bottom of the pyramid, I don't know if y'all have the food pyramid over there, but the bottom of the food pyramids, all grains [00:07:00] and it's all just garbage and the whole pyramids pretty much garbage.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Even the My plate is, is all garbage. When did you come to that realization?

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, absolutely. It's like, as they, everybody love to say today, you know, it's like, uh, I, I got into this rabbit hole basically. And, um, since then it just, uh, it been truth, truth all the time. Uh, one after the other, like one discovery after the other.

Tomer Pappe: But it all began when I first, I was in the hospital with the diabetes ketosis, which. This is, uh, it's a quite common co uh, complication of diabetes, but it is not a joke. It's like you can really lose your life in that co complication, which. The ketones are produce in a significant high numbers. It's not the ketogenic diet.

Tomer Pappe: It has nothing to do with that. It's a completely different mechanism that it's, uh, already toxic because the high level of ketones in your blood and the body in a desperate attempt trying to give yourself a fuel instead of the [00:08:00] carbohydrates that get stuck outside of the cells because there's no insulin to get them in.

Tomer Pappe: Basically, that's the meaning of that. And then I dived into a lot of nutrition books, a lot of nutrition. Uh, science, many articles, many new research. That I just, it blew my mind really that, you know, the research today is so, uh, ahead of his really, it's, it's somewhere in the future and the medical doctors and many of the medical practices really far, far in the century ago, uh, you can say.

Tomer Pappe: And that really blew, it blew my mind. And since then I got into the rabbit hole and I never got out. And really, it's all the time you get new discoveries and the sense is really amazing today. So I began with the famous Doctor Bernstein book with, in my eyes, is like a legend in diabetes world, but basically in the local world, it's not only diabetes, you know the things they talk about.

Tomer Pappe: It's true to everyone. All of your listeners, if they want to improve their lives, if they want to get. More energy, [00:09:00] more, uh, more even strengths in the muscle. Everything. Low carb is really, it's true to everyone today, which we are in a world that is saturated with carbohydrates basically, and they're getting more and more processed.

Tomer Pappe: But I started with that, and then I dived into it and I got to many, uh, sort of mentors of mind. They were like, uh, on Instagram or on YouTube, you know, like, um, probably you, you are familiar with them. It's, uh, Sean Baker was in the beginning of. Of all of that when, nine years ago and since then, I got to talk with him.

Tomer Pappe: He got to interview me, and I interviewed him. And, um, some, some of these names just, they opened my mind. But when I started in experimenting, I just, I never stopped. And it's a path that even though you have a lot of mentors and a lot of, uh, influencer and YouTubers and Instagramers, you still have to walk alone in that path.

Tomer Pappe: I'm sure you know it.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it was, uh, ßhawn Baker was very influential when I started along with um, uh, Jordan Peterson. And so I was diagnosed with [00:10:00] idiopathic hypersomulants and I stumbled across someone saying, oh, it helped. Narcolepsy has helped with their Narc, with their, or, uh, low carb has helped with their Narcolepsy.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then I stumbled across Jordan Peterson talking about his daughter having, um, Idiopathic Hypersomulants, which is even more rare than Narcolepsy and how it made her symptoms go away. And then I stumbled across Dr. Baker, Sean Baker, and just listening to him talk on Joe Rogan the first time was like.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is life-changing? How is medicine not taught any of this? How can we only have one hour of nutrition when we can change lives by getting rid of pain, getting rid of diabetes, getting rid of rheumatoid arthritis? I mean, just all these things can be cured if we eat the right thing.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And I, yeah, Sean, Dr.

Tomer Pappe: Shawn Baker, he wasn't a Joe Rogan and it got really public and everybody was talking about the. The, this big guy that also workouts also build muscle and also go, uh, really like carnivore and low carb. It was like [00:11:00] really, um, out there. But even before that, you know, Dr. Bernstein was doing it since the seventies basically of the past century.

Tomer Pappe: And, and its ancient wisdom I. That's what really amazed me. That type one diabetes, the first documented case is actually in ancient Egypt 3000 years ago. And there is speculation also that it goes back to the, to the cave era, which we were in caves, and then it was like a death sentence. And when insulin invented it, it gave you like the, the notion that you can do everything and eat everything, but it's only a, a plaster on the.

Tomer Pappe: On the big picture that it actually, each and every one of us, we need lower amounts of insulin. It doesn't matter if you inject it or not. And when I discovered basically the, the power of being educated about food and about carbohydrates and how it affects everything, my blood sugar and my mood and everything.

Tomer Pappe: So I became really an expert. And then I saw that it's a, it's a way that you can also teach others really. And [00:12:00] that's what really led me to become clinical nutritionist. And you said. That you study medicine and you go through only one hour maybe of nutrition. So I know that, and in my country it's the same.

Tomer Pappe: And I work today a lot with the us. I have, uh, patients also in Europe and many other places rather than Israel. And we walk online and when, when we see that, basically it's everywhere. It's the same. The medical doctors, they. You know, they treat the symptoms, they don't treat the root cause. We know it already.

Tomer Pappe: Uh, quite, uh, from the people we follow. And we know also that even I, as a nutritionist, I learned three years of, uh, nutrition and a lot of macronutrients, micronutrients, a lot of nutrients, and. The, the biology is amazing, but still, when you get to the point that, uh, they have to tell you, okay, what he will tell your patient.

Tomer Pappe: Now, a patient will come to you with type one diabetes, with, uh, skin issues with like Michaela, Peterson like you. So what will you tell these patients? So still, it [00:13:00] goes back to the normal narrative of just, uh, eat whole grains. Uh, try to eat a balanced diet, a balanced meal, you know, it's all the same records go back over, over and over again.

Tomer Pappe: And it's, of course, it's false.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And you know, I may even get ridiculed by my fellow physicians. Oh, well, yeah. I've seen people get better. I've seen people lose weight with, you know, veganism. It's, but it's not about losing weight. I mean, that is a byproduct of it. That is a symptom of being metabolically unhealthy is, is being overweight.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But you also have other symptoms like. Diabetes. Another symptom like blood pressure problems and type one, type two diabetes, not type one obviously. Um, these are symptoms of the underlying cause of being metabolically unhealthy. And if we can get to those root causes, then we don't have to give medications that go against the biology of the body.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We can treat the root cause.

Tomer Pappe: Absolutely. Absolutely. And there is a lot in nutrition world and nutrition science is full of, uh, you know, biased, uh, here and there. Like each side will choose and each, each side [00:14:00] will show you the, I have this new study, I have this like, it's like it's becoming like, um, it's not really the meaning of science.

Tomer Pappe: The meaning of science is actually always to que to question and not to go by. Look, I have this one paper here that I proved you wrong. It's more. As you say, we need to get to the root cause of basically of all of our modern life, like what got us here. And of course, when a person will go vegan or even, even if you will go fruitarian, sometimes it's the fact that you're just limiting your food consumption will make you feel better.

Tomer Pappe: Because today we are, we are saturated with processed carbohydrates, as we said, processed food, and it's, it's all, it's, we get, uh, full of that. So of course when we restrict a bit, doesn't matter in what approach, we'll feel better, but. The real question is what will last for many years now, you know, we are a generation that is more like, uh, we want here and now, but the, we need to see the big picture.

Tomer Pappe: It's not like I became a vegan two months and look, I feel amazing. I, you know, like this movie, the Game Changers, it's, it's [00:15:00] not about that. It's more like, uh, we should look at the long term of each, uh, nutrition and, and that's what's really interesting and it gets even more interesting when you put. The aspect of our evolution, each, each and every one of us.

Tomer Pappe: Uh, for, I'm, for, for example, my origins, my great ancestors, they were somewhere in Europe. You can, uh, you can assume that as I know from my own family history, so it'll make sense. They will, that they will fed more with a chicken, maybe some. They had some milk, they had some, uh, probably a lot of eggs. I assume that.

Tomer Pappe: Okay. And when I see this evolutionary context, I can't really now become, you know, uh, to go live by the beach and to, to eat only fish all day. Or, uh, some people forget the evolutionary con context. And it's very important because we see now that people. Become carnivore and they feel amazing, but they get iron overload For some example that I see it a lot with my patients and I, I have some experience with that in lab results and [00:16:00] many other factors.

Tomer Pappe: And basically we, we need also to remember that, you know, so it's not only the, there is one that for, for all, it's um, it's evolution. It's to know your body, know biology, and the rest is, uh, you can try.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, um. When you started controlling your diabetes. Uh, and I, and I say it that way because you know you have type one and I've seen type one diabetics also get this.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's, I don't know if it's a real thing, if it's really called like type 1.5, 'cause there is a type 1.5. I think it's different. Um, but this is where your type one, but now insulin resistant type one. And so instead of being what type ones are typically thin, uh, body habitus. Now you. Now they become obese because they've made themselves insulin resistant because they just eat whatever they want and they just inject more insulin.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I've actually heard some patients say, yeah, my, my endocrinologist said, just put more insulin in. If I eat a piece of cake. It's like, oh my goodness, that, that's the wrong [00:17:00] answer. I,

Tomer Pappe: yeah, absolutely. You know, I've been there when, in the times before I changed my diet, I was, I'm diabetic now, type one diabetic for nearly.

Tomer Pappe: 24 years and for the first 15 years or 16 years, I was walking around eating whatever I want. I could eat cakes, I could eat desserts, I could eat a lot of pasta. It, it didn't care to me whatsoever, and I just injected the. The insulin that I take, which is basically more or less the same for our body for as a pancreas, insulin as a produced insulin in the body.

Tomer Pappe: And what I saw that, yeah, you can get much if you know higher blood glucose, uh, it's. It leads to, to even higher blood glucose than, than to start from, and it's like a vicious cycle. And if you, I, you know, if you saw me before I changed my diet, you, you wouldn't say that I look like a sick person. I have to be honest with you.

Tomer Pappe: It's not, I wasn't obese, you wouldn't see that on me. But I can tell you very clearly now that I have, I had [00:18:00] metabolic syndrome if, you know, I used, um. Let's say 90, around 90 units of insulin a day. And today I use around 20 even less. So you can imagine what, what was the demand of insulin of my body and how insulin resistant I was just, it's really easy to track that in type one diabetes, and we see it a lot today.

Tomer Pappe: I see it a lot with patients that, that's really tragic today. It's a human tragedy basically, that you can have, as you said, double diabetes, they call it today. You can be type one and gain more and more weight because of the insulin that you inject. And for like anybody else, you know, like the modern world, uh, the modern, the modern world, uh, sickness, you can get also sick from the food you eat.

Tomer Pappe: And it's even harder with type one to track exactly and to inject correctly because it's, you need to be really a rocket scientist in order to do that. So it's, it's even easier to get to be double diabetic when you're type one because it's a slippery slope. And I see it a lot today. And it's, of course, it's a result of the [00:19:00] modern world we live in.

Tomer Pappe: But if you, if we go back a bit, it's, it's kind of, uh, crazy. I think the modern nature is probably laughing somewhere about that, that actually autoimmune disease shouldn't even occur in the first place. You know, it's a. When you walk against nature, uh, and you'll get a far from nature, so you get autoimmune diseases.

Tomer Pappe: Some people will call it the body attacks itself. Some people call it in. Otherwise, uh, some people will say it, it's a whole family of diseases that science doesn't know why they come from, doesn't matter, but. Basically you get that when you get far from nature, it's either when you give synthetic breast milk to a baby, you can uh, you can have lack of vitamin D, people that, uh, today, modern world, we sit around the computer all day.

Tomer Pappe: So you get the autoimmune disease, you get type one diabetes. We invented, we invented insulin to treat it. And then, uh, people today, they get type two diabetes. On top of their type one diabetes. So that's really like, uh, it's insane. And for me, I [00:20:00] want to, to minimize my problems in life. So basically that's what carnivore diet and low-carb diets of any kind got me to it.

Tomer Pappe: It doesn't have to be pure carnivore. We can talk about that. But when I really limited my carbohydrates, the magic happened and I saw that every day My. Blood glucose become really predictable. It get, it gets really easy and you only need to match the doses of insulin, which that's pretty easy. Any, any child can do it.

Tomer Pappe: And then you see, wow, it's amazing. I check my blood glucose. It's 80 milligrams per deciliter now, two hours later I check it's ninety-five, two hours later it's seventy-eight. And that's, that's the magic really for uncontrollable disease that used to be considered at least.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So how do you, how do you start educating patients on carnivore?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What are some of the things that you, you say to try and get people on board? I mean, your story is very compelling, but what, what other things do you to teach people that like, hey, this is, this is the way, the only way really to, to have absolute control over [00:21:00] this as you should.

Tomer Pappe: Uh, you know, all the time I see when I meet a new patient, I see him as myself like 10 years ago.

Tomer Pappe: That's what I'm trying to do. So I basically invite everybody and also all of your listeners, if they're still considering, just give it a, give it a shot. You know, take one month, take, start with two weeks and continue to one month, and then look how we. How amazing you feel and then continue. It doesn't have to be so strict, but what I love about carnivore, and I use it a lot of times, especially with, um, you know, obesity and things that need urgent care.

Tomer Pappe: So it's like, it's like a urgent, it's first line treatment, carnivore, and then what, what I really love about it, it's that it's a elimination diet. Everybody knows that. It's like the best way to see if you're susceptible to anything. So we try that. And then the, the best thing, especially for obese people and the people with that have excess problems, not, it's not problems of, uh, lack of anything.

Tomer Pappe: It's more like [00:22:00] excess issues. So for them, they, they can see, they can experiment themselves, and that's the best thing. So if, if a person is really down to the process, I will give him, that's what I will give him. I will give him the elimination. Uh, path and I will tell him, okay, start really with the list that you can start with a good stack that will make you satiated for many, many hours throughout the day.

Tomer Pappe: And then when you feel amazing, maybe you can add some nuts, maybe you can add a bit. I'm, I'm, I don't really, uh, demonize any food group unless it's really processed. So that's basically the idea. And then. E each patient is different. You know, we, we all different. Each one is a universe as they say. So I try to walk with the person.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think that's a great approach. I've, I've kind of started a stepwise approach that, you know, first if you, if all you can do is get rid of the seed and, um, seed oils, the, the processed oils and all the processed food, if that's all you can do, then do that and you'll see improvement. It won't be as profound as [00:23:00] if you jump into like beef only carnivore, but you'll, you'll start to have some improvements in your metabolic disease, in your pain, in all these different issues.

Tomer Pappe: True. And when you check that, when you look at that, really you can divide foods to the, the one that they will always be toxic. So as you said, it's a, it can, it's seed oils, you can add their processed carbohydrates. You can add basically anything that come in, you know, in a, in a box or in a nylon, uh, nylon wrapping.

Tomer Pappe: It's a, it's always bad unless it's a, the butcher gave you that in a box or something like that, you know. But, uh, if it's from a factory, so usually, yeah, we can tell. There, there is the things that will be true to anyone. You will not find any expert un unless he gets money from the company to advocate for Coca-Cola, you know, drink, Coca-Cola.

Tomer Pappe: It's like there is some stuff that you, anyone can agree. And then when you start to eliminate that and eliminate seed oils, processed carbohydrates, you can eliminate the sweet, all the sweet drinks that we say, all the sodas, you know, like [00:24:00] the sweet sodas. So, uh, when you, when you get down that path, you already done.

Tomer Pappe: A lot, like 60%, uh, the path to towards your own new body, the new health that you will have.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. I think that's, that's a great point.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, definitely. And you know, it's a, it's important that people like you doctors, and. Other people. The, that's the really the, I think the power of today's world. You get educated from mentors.

Tomer Pappe: I get educated from mentors and we could choose our path and now we can get from inside the system, we can change it and we can, I. Even if you will have a clinic, it doesn't matter what what you will really do, but you can affect people in a way that in the past, it was in the past maybe we, you know, like decades and decades and hundreds, hundreds of years ago, maybe there wasn't even processed food.

Tomer Pappe: So no one really had to be educated because it was natural. But I mean, in the past, like, you know, our parents generation, our grandparents generation, they could, they [00:25:00] didn't have access to that information. And today. We have it, we have too much information. We just need to know how to pick it and how to be really well informed and to know how to read science and to just to have a clear mind and a good, good instinct, you know?

Tomer Pappe: And then we can affect people. That's really, that's what matters in the end of the day. And it doesn't matter if it's your family, the four people in your clinic, 4,000 people in your clinic, uh, international, you know, stages or 1 million followers on Instagram. Really? Well, anything matters and we change it from the inside.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I noticed while when people learn about carnivore and they try it for a month and then they end up eventually continuing it for much longer than the month, they become a, they sell it, right? Because they, their life is so much better. They're like, wow, my, the pain in my hands that I've had for years is gone now.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, I don't have that back pain. I, my depression is better, my anxiety is better. It's just, it, it's not a one, it's not snake oil. It's not a one fix for everyone, but it. It almost is because [00:26:00] it's, if everyone has basically the same machinery that we're walking around in, we have to put the right fuel in, and it's so easy to put the wrong fuel in, and that causes everything to get jammed up, if you will.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, it's, and, uh, you know, Sam, it's funny that you say it because here, I'm, I'm already active for. More than a decade as a personal trainer and al almost a decade in this nutrition field. And then I became clinical nutritionist. And what I had a lot of conversations in Hebrew with, uh, other, uh, Israeli influencers.

Tomer Pappe: And we talked about it a lot. We, we called it in Hebrew, the, it's like the Messiah feeling, you know, that. When you find a new diet and you have this feeling, it's like you, you're telling yourself, wow, it's, it's amazing. Like, like how no one ever told me about it. Like, it's, it's crazy. It's insane. What, what, what I'm going through.

Tomer Pappe: Like, I'm suddenly, I'm clear in my mind, I'm, I'm happier. I can be more tolerant. You know, my, my thoughts are clear. Everything is clear. Everything is, it's wow. It's like I'm, I'm becoming like a aircraft, you know, my, my body's like, [00:27:00] it's insane. And then you, you have the notion that you have to shout it from the mountain.

Tomer Pappe: You know? You have to tell everybody. Because it, it's also come from a pure place that you really want to help the people you love. You want to. To help your inner circle and to show them this way. The same, because it's amazing. You know, it's, you don't need, you don't pay for anything. You don't need any medication.

Tomer Pappe: It just, you change what you eat, you change your entire life. It's, it's insane. And, and then it's really common that in the first year, the first two years, you get to talk to people. You talk to the people you love, to your girlfriend, to your friends, and you try to convince them. And then there is another phase of this change that you see that people usually, they, they don't want to change if it's not urgent.

Tomer Pappe: And it's they, they won't do it unless. Either the doctor will tell him, okay, it's now or never, or they will get to themselves to like the rock bottom. And, and basically people, you know, people, they change slowly and people, they want, they want the change to come from them, and they don't want anyone to preach them too much unless they're already interested in that.[00:28:00]

Tomer Pappe: So, um, I know this Messiah feeling and every, every, everybody experienced that also. But then there is like, it's an evolution of a change also. And then you see that. The people that want, they will come. The people that you know, the, the true seekers, they will, they will find you anyway. It doesn't matter to them if you, you don't have to shout it, uh, to them.

Tomer Pappe: And that's really the secret, because if you get, you know, to our, our parents generation, again, our grandparents generation, they, they, they're already, you know, they are coded, they're really coded for, to some foods and some habits that they, some of them even admit that it's bad for them. But you can't really change, uh, force the change on them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's true. I learned that this past few weeks. Yeah, and it's just, it's, it's heartbreaking that you know, you wanna share this good information that people get so upset with you about it. It's like, but I'm not saying you have to do it. It's just a different opinion. It's a different option. And of what you're doing isn't working because I see that it's not [00:29:00] working and you say, you're doc, I'll try anything, but you're unwilling to try something, then you're not really ready to try anything.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's, I don't, I'm sure you've come across that.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, of course. We, we've been there. We, we, we know that. But, uh, that's what you need really to realize that, uh, some people, you, sometimes it's also a matter of respect. Just to respect the, you know, the. Respect them and just you, you, you need to show the way, basically.

Tomer Pappe: That's why, at least that's what I do, you know, in, in all of my pages and in my website, my blog, my Hebrew blog now, I launched all the English channels. You know, I launched my online program in English. Uh, everything is in order to really, to educate and to make it easier to, to other people to understand.

Tomer Pappe: I, I don't want to make it complicated, so as soon as it, as it gets too, you know. As, as you have to put too much effort on one person to change, then you, under you, you understand that it's not the way and your body, you, you [00:30:00] will feel it in deep inside of you that yeah, you maybe spend too much time on this person and usually it's from, it's from the purest place.

Tomer Pappe: You, you really want to pass that, that notion to other people because it's amazing, you know, it's not, you are imposing something good on them, but I know what you mean and we, we will need to, you know, to be like a torch just to, to show it. It doesn't matter. As I said, if it's one person, 10,000 or 10 million followers on Instagram that agree with you, you, you just need to walk the pattern.

Tomer Pappe: The, the, the optimistic, um, message from our conversation now is that, that it, it is going, you know, it's people, uh, they got fed up in my country, in in your country, in the U.S, in the western world. Uh, a lot of countries in Europe, people are fed up really with going, you know, going as ships and. To say, to put the responsibility on, on someone else to say.

Tomer Pappe: This thing, the doctor will, uh, take care of this thing. The, my, uh, agent will do some, some mediator, you know, [00:31:00] that is not really, it's not the going to the root cause of, of that. And people really, they want answers. And the, the reason, a reason, if you really think about it, that people like, you know, Sean Baker, as we mentioned, Dr.

Tomer Pappe: Paul Saladino, uh, the page, you know, carnivore, all of these pages, they, they get. They get bigger and bigger all the time. There is a reason because people are really fed up and it's, it'll get, we will get bigger. We, we, the people.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. It, it is, it's, it's a movement that's growing, but it's, it's interesting 'cause people think it's this newfangled thing, but really we're turning back to our ancient roots.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, that's what people ate 10,000 years ago. That's the only food source that was available on every continent that humans lived on in every season. And so, if you think about it from a sense like that, it's like, well. We should probably eat what our answers ancestors ate to get us to here because what we're doing now is not getting us to where we want to be.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah. And it's important to to tell to. [00:32:00] Put the message out there that really it's, you know, it's not a trend. We are not doing it. It's not like a Kim Kardashian new nutrition trend or something like that. We, we are really, we are going to the root, we're going to the things that will last for life. It's decades ahead.

Tomer Pappe: It, I will do it also when I will be 80 and 90 if Guy, you know, if the, the way will let me do, will let me there. But that's really, that's what it is. It's not like a lose weight kind of a, you know, diet one month, do it and, uh, be before the wedding or before summers or anything like that. It's nothing like that.

Tomer Pappe: And I remember that. When I started my journey and I was just starting low carb, it was be before carnivore, I was just experimenting with reducing my carbs and eating a normal low carb meals like, uh, chicken and I, I just was experimenting for the first year probably with myself with low carb diet, and I had a girlfriend back then.

Tomer Pappe: And I was hosted at, at the house. And my mother, she asked me, she said, wow, it's an amazing diet, but what, what is your deadline? Like, wh when do you [00:33:00] stop? It's a, What, what is the pr the plan, it's like one, it's one week or one month. Tell me what, what's usually the protocol here? So she, it looked amazing for her, but she couldn't imagine herself that it's a lifestyle.

Tomer Pappe: And for me it was weird. This question I told and I said like, no, it's a. I chose it. Like, that's what I'm doing now. She, uh, it was like a funny conversation, but I think many people, they look at the diets like that and they have to put it in boxes. You know, there is, as you said, there is like the vegans.

Tomer Pappe: There is the carnivores, there is the, the low carbers, and you have fruitarians and it's all like a, it's, it's like a tribes, you know, we are one against each other, but. I think you, you, me, and the our people that we are going to the root cause. We, we don't need to put it out there as a trend really.

Tomer Pappe: That's, we're going back to the roots. That's all.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. And, and curing disease. Because when you look at it from this perspective disease that we see, like hypertension, like metabolic disease, those are symptoms of metabolic unhealth.[00:34:00]

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, everything is a symptom. You know, it's people experiencing a lot of things In the end, most of them are not aware of one person gets a leg pain some day or a, a pain in the knee, and it happens to a lot of, uh, maybe elderly people or, uh. Again, the older generation, but also to, to many people, uh, in their thirties even.

Tomer Pappe: And people, they, they don't really think, what, what really, you know, it sounds a bit like a hippie and all, but, uh, it's, it's really, it is like your body is trying to tell you something and it's, it can be a pain in the knee, it can be some, it usually it's some inflammation in the body, some local inflammation.

Tomer Pappe: And the inflammation can get to be systemic inflammation. And then diseases, more diseases will arise, but. People really, they don't think about it. And we want to cure disease, but also prevent them because like any machine, you know, like any good machine in the body is the best machine in nature. Our human body, basically, it's the most, uh, sophisticated one.

Tomer Pappe: So if you give it the, the good, the [00:35:00] right conditions and optimal conditions, and it's very simple. You don't have to be too complicated. Just give it what it knows, you know, it knows the tissues, it knows the molecules of meat because the body is meat. Also. It knows fat because the body is. Produced outta fat also, all of our cells give it that, and it's not only, uh, you will cure the disease, you will prevent them, which this is really like, I think this is the big message of all of these people in this field.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I. Yeah, exactly. It's, uh, our, our GI system is not like that of a cow at all. And the cows have a very different GI system because they eat things that we can't. They, they have multiple stomachs. They have, I mean, their whole GI is completely different. Whereas our system is more like that of a dog or a cat, which are carnivores.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you, you think that that would make sense to people. Uh, but there's still people that say, well, you gotta eat, you know, this, that, and the other. Um. Well, you have to have some sort of meat in your diet, otherwise you'll never get the essential things that you need. You know, there there is no essential carbohydrate, but there are essential fats and there are essential [00:36:00] proteins.

Tomer Pappe: Uh, there is no such thing as the body in the body as a lack of carbohydrates. You don't, you don't have lack of carbohydrate disease. There's, it doesn't exist in nature. I. But what you do have quite a lot actually is a protein, lack of protein. You know, um, many, many diseases get out of lack of protein.

Tomer Pappe: Actually, the most of the third world, you know, like the, the first country in the world, they suffer a lot from lack of protein, but you never heard of. Um, lack of carbohydrate disease because it's very simple. Our liver produce the glucose, basically twenty-four, seven. As long as we breathe on this planet and in this life cycle, our liver will keep producing glucose in the amounts that we exactly need.

Tomer Pappe: And it does it, it's very delicate regulatory system, um, that our bodies. Regulating on that very, very carefully. Will not, it will, it will never stop. But what we, what we need, [00:37:00] actually, it's the protein and fat because these are the building blocks. It's, it's very simple. And when you nature, you know, everything in nature, um, really recognize real, like our body wants the same tissues.

Tomer Pappe: He wants to, to get the same building blocks and. It's true what you said, that the cow and many other animals, they found a way to go over that. And you have, you have also herbivores animals. Of course you have, you got everything like the gorillas and many other, uh, examples. But, but yeah, as human beings, that's how we live.

Tomer Pappe: We need our tissues also, cats. Cats are basically all the cats family in a, the mammal kingdom. It's like the, they're the ultimate carnivores.

Tomer Pappe: Also, I just, I remember that also my cat, you know, I, we, it's funny, my cat is now 14 and uh, eight years ago I introduced him also to low-carb diet, just because I read about it exactly the same. Point. You know, in the same point in my life that [00:38:00] I started to do my change, I started to think, wait, what? Why do I give my cat this garbage from the supermarket?

Tomer Pappe: Really, it's, it's cheap. It's, it has nothing in it. It has a lot of seed oils and maybe some potatoes, leftovers. So I was starting to read about it too. And then you see, you have the Pottinger, uh, experi experiment, which was amazing. A Pottinger was a. He was a student basically of Dr. Western a price, which his findings, they were like a wow.

Tomer Pappe: It's also mind blowing. And, but Pottinger really put all the effort into cats and he saw that in the third generation of coffee cats that being fed, uh, raw meat. It's like a miracle, it's a epigenetics. He changed his own genetics, his own diseases that he had to be born with, that he was already coded because of the past generations that got really a shitty diet basically.

Tomer Pappe: So he, he could even fix that, even fix his DNA. So that was amazing. And I. When I tried it on my cat, you know, it's only, you can say that it's an anecdote, but my cat got a much, he, he ate [00:39:00] less meals basically. He became more, um, more concentrated. You, you saw that he is more like he is not running around.

Tomer Pappe: He is much more calm and you could see that he's fair. It became much more soft, which, uh, it's a sign, it's a good sign for health in animals.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You mentioned Western price. Um, I, I seen a movie that was about him. So tell us a little about him. 'cause he, he's amazing. Like the, the videos that he took in foreign countries, it's just, it's, it's mind-blowing to see the, the facial features and structures of these people that he went to go visit.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah, his story is amazing. It's, um. What, what I, you know, today everybody love to quote him and it's becoming like, uh, it's also becoming like a bit, uh, popular to, to quote him, but, but there is a reason for that. Uh, many people, they called him the Isaac Newton of nutrition, and basically what he was doing, he was, um, he was a dentist in Canada in the.

Tomer Pappe: Before in 1900. It was like, um, [00:40:00] 100, uh, 40 years ago probably was active. And then he was starting to see that his patients, they, it's the same as happened to many heart surgeries, surgeon and many other profession that he was thinking, wait, I treat my patients all the time. I treat them, uh, I fix their teeth.

Tomer Pappe: Sometimes I get the root canal. I do a lot of stuff. But what, why, why does it happening? Like he was asking himself and he. He was, he understood that there is some places in the world that they don't even have, they don't have dentists. You know, they don't treat their teeth whatsoever. They don't clean it in any way, but they don't, they're clean of, uh, diseases.

Tomer Pappe: You know, they, their teeth lasts until their, the last day of their lives and they age perfectly. So. Basically he started doing that. He was, he became like a food researcher, or you can say like the father of nutrition, and he took his wife and they went to like the most distant tribes in the world. He was in the, I don't exactly remember their name, but it's a ancient tribe in the Swiss Alps.

Tomer Pappe: They, they were living in a valley for [00:41:00] thousand and thousands of years. Uh, they, they basically lived by the milk products that they produce, and they were walking a lot in the sun and it was famous that they all get to really a great longevity and they get to like 100 and they're all healthy. And they don't have doctors, they don't have any clinicians.

Tomer Pappe: So it went there, it went to the, to the Australia, to the tribes there. He went to the Indian tribes in the U.S in Canada. Uh, basically what he, what he found that the, these people, they have some something in common, have. You, you can see in every society like that in the world that they're a distant society.

Tomer Pappe: They're tribe, and they live exactly the way they used to live more than 10,000 years ago. E even it goes back before agricultural revolution. So you found some amazing things and everything is documented. So that's why people have to quote him because actually he was, um, he had a diary that he was.

Tomer Pappe: Anything. He took picture, he took pictures of one tribe that, uh, there were two sisters, [00:42:00] the one sister, she moved to the city in the same country and she got introduced to the industrial new modern life, which basically is the equivalent to the one that was back then in Canada, in the U.S. And the other sister, she remained in the village with the same.

Tomer Pappe: Um, the same traditions. She was eating a lot of organs in this place. They, they were eating animals. Everything was, uh, locally grown. Not even the land wa wasn't even processed. It's like, it's as clean as you can get. Not nothing is processed in this land, at least when, when he was doing it, which it goes back 120 years ago.

Tomer Pappe: And uh, that's what he discovered, that the sis one sister remained completely healthy. He, he was seeing that the. Basically the, the, this structure is perfectly built with no any, they don't have any bracelets, nothing. They just, it, it goes like that, like as nature intended, intended nature wanted us to have.

Tomer Pappe: A wide, wide, uh, jaw. So we can, we can process the food as, [00:43:00] as, uh, good as it as we can. We, we need to know how to bite that. The teeth will be parallel. And the, the sister that remained in the tradition ways of living, which was a lot of organs, a lot of meat, a lot of locally grown products, nothing processed.

Tomer Pappe: So it became perfect, like a perfect, uh, artery of teeth. Of teeth, really. And the other sister is so. A lot of tooth decay called it a lot of, um, canals that he had to, had, she had to, she had to go through and everything is documented. It took like, uh, hundreds of pictures and it was comparing between one, one member of the family and the other, and it's all the same.

Tomer Pappe: DNA, the only thing the different is really the lifestyle. And then today it's really, it's implementable. You know, you can take everything that Weston price discovered and you can implement it today as far as you can. You can. Go to the growers, you know, to the people, to the farmers, to the people that really, you know, what they put there, you know, that they don't put pesticides, you know, that they locally ground their meat, they grass-fed meat.

Tomer Pappe: The, you, you can implement as much as you can. And I know that today you have the Weston, a price [00:44:00] foundation that they actually doing it. And you have people like a Dr. Sarah Campbell, um, some others there, that they're really active and it's still going on, like the, the, his heritage is still living.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's wonderful.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Uh, well, Tamer, I need to start wrapping up. Uh, where can people find you and your information and get plugged into your, your movement, what you're doing, your tribe, if you will?

Tomer Pappe: My tribe is, for many years now, it's in my country, in Israel, but now we became international. I opened the, all my programs, all my online programs. They're available now in English. You can find it in my website. It's tamerpappe.com, it's pape. It's P-A-A-P-E. And um, all my channels are now also available in English where you got them launched recently.

Tomer Pappe: It's normal blood glucose, so I call it normal blood G. Sounds really cool. And um, you can find that Facebook, Instagram, that's the name I invite everybody to go there. It's also carnivore, it's also for diabetics to balance your blood [00:45:00] glucose, everything that we really. Really matters.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This has, this has been great. I, I love hearing from current divorce who have just changed their life and then used that to change other people's lives.

Tomer Pappe: Yeah. That's important. Sam, we should keep on doing it. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much Tomer.

Tomer Pappe: Thank you for having me.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God bless you.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:46:00]

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