The Tucker Carlson Encounter: Tyranny in Brazil

EPISODE DETAILS The Biden administration helped install a pro-Chinese government in Brazil, which immediately shut down opposition media and began arresting dissidents. Here are two of its victims.

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The Tucker Carlson Encounter: Tyranny in Brazil originally aired 2.29.24

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Tucker [00:00:00] A little less than two years ago, we went to Brazil to cover the presidential election then in progress. The incumbent president, Jair Bolsonaro, was running against a former president, a convicted felon very close to the government of China called Lula. And as you wandered around the country, went to its biggest cities, you really got the feeling if this election goes to Lula, this place is going to, in very short order, become a police state. People are going to go to jail. Democracy is going to end. The media will no longer be able to report honestly and openly, and the Chinese government will have undue influence over Brazil. And that's a big deal, not just for Brazilians, but for the United States, because Brazil is the most significant country in the Americas after this one. It's huge. It's got enormous natural resources. It's got a well-educated population. There's a lot in Brazil. And so if it descends into darkness, that's a problem, not just for brazil, but for every country in this hemisphere. So the question is, two and a half years later, a year and a half later, rather, what happened in Brazil? Lula won in an election that was very obviously rigged. And what happened to the country? So we thought we would get an update now with Eduardo Bolsonaro. He's the son of the former president. He's a very well known legislator in Brazil, and he joins us on set now. Thanks so much for coming on.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:01:20] Thank you. Tucker.

Tucker [00:01:21] So looking down from here from, you know, vantage of thousands of miles, but, at Brazil, it looks like it's no longer a free country.

Tucker [00:01:53] But they're Brazilian journalists who cover Brazilian politics, but they're living here. Why are they here?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:01:57] Because they cannot work anymore in Brazil, and also because you always have the risk of being arrested by the Supreme Court. And to be honest, not the whole Supreme Court. But one justice called Alexandre de Moraes. He had opened an investigation for more than five years, prosecuting usually conservatives. So these gentlemen: Allan Do Santos, Rodrigo Constantino, Paulo Figueiredo they are leaving here because they are shut it down in Brazil. Alexandre De Moraes, this justice, he cannot even let this person have a Twitter or Facebook account in Brazil. If you are in Brazil and you want to see what they are posting, you need to turn on your VPN or be outside of Brazil.

Tucker [00:02:42] Wait a second. Okay, so the Biden administration is a great protector of democracy and human rights around the world. They tell us that every day. And yet their close ally, the Lula government, is shutting down press freedom and forcing journalists into exile. Have they said anything about this? Has the State Department complained about any of this?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:03:01] I never listen to something about that. But what we are doing, we are receiving some support from, our other congressmen from the Republican Party, for example, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Chris Smith, among others. We had some conversations last year, and we are expecting to this year, come back to the Congress in a bigger delegation of Brazilian congressmen to have a hearing in, commission inside of the Congress to at least tell all around the world what is going on in Brazil, because in Brazil it's not worth any more. You appeal. You don't have for who to appeal. Is the Supreme Court suing people? They say that they are the victims. They accuse and they judge everybody. This is not a, a democracy anymore. I cannot say that, unfortunately. And you don't have where to appeal or who ask for help.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:04:09] Yes. This is that excuse that they used to go after every conservative.

Tucker [00:04:15] So, almost a year to the day later, the United States government was involved in it as well, the Biden administration. You had a supposed attempted coup on the democratically elected government in Brazil, the Lula government. And conveniently, a bunch of Lula's political opponents wound up in jail. Is that a fair summary? Is that what happened.

Tucker [00:05:06] 17 years for protesting. And can I just say it's pretty clear that your election was stolen by the Lula government. I think that's fair to say. From the outside, it looked stolen.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:05:14] Yes, yes, I have my opinion. This is a very sensitive issue.

Tucker [00:05:17] No, I know it is.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:05:19] I have to take care about my words. But what I can tell you is -

Tucker [00:05:22] Why would you have to take care of your words?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:05:26] You have a congressman that is in jail now because he made a video, Tucker. He made a video talking bad words for the Supreme Court. This man, a congressman, is in jail for nine years. His name is Daniel Silveira.

Tucker [00:05:36] Wait, wait. He's in jail for criticizing the Supreme Court?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:05:40] Yes. Not only criticize, he said bad words. That's true. I would never do a video like that. But imagine, I don't know -

Tucker [00:05:47] Bad words. Did he threatened violence?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:05:50] Some... How can I say that? Talking shit things to the minister? Yes. Your mother is this and that. You know.

Tucker [00:06:02] You're allowed to talk shit to people in power in a free country, aren't you?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:06:05] Yes, yes. Where you have the First Amendment respected? Yes. But in Brazil, we have some articles inside of the Constitution that guarantee for senators and congressmen like me that you do not receive any kind of punishment about what you speak. It's even, you say, like we have a freedom of speech in Brazil, at least in the Constitution. And the congressman is one step ahead because we cannot receive a punishment about our words, votes or whatever we say. But as this congressman is in jail now and the things are getting worse.

Tucker [00:06:39] Okay. I'm sorry, and I keep talking over your story. I'm just amazed that someone is in jail for criticizing the government. It's obviously not a free country just on the basis of that. But I said it was very obvious from our perspective, from the US perspective, that your election was rigged with the help of the CIA. That was my conclusion.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:07:01] There is a very good article in the Financial Times talking about that help of U.S. to guarantee that democracy in Brazil.

Tucker [00:07:09] And by guaranteeing democracy that would be guaranteeing the election of the left wing candidate.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:07:13] Yes, yes. And the thing is, there is so much power there to the establishment did, for example, to avoid the printed vote amendments that we try to approve in 2021, why someone from the Electoral court, the electoral court, they organize and they judge everything about elections in Brazil. Why someone from the Electoral Court, the Superior Electoral Court, as the President, Justice Barroso, came to the Congress and talked with 11 presidents of political parties, telling them to do not approve the printed vote amendment. Why someone works? Should we do not have more transparency in the election? It's a strange but ask Tucker, in my position, I can tell you I cannot accuse that the elections was fraud, but they cannot prove that it wasn't.

Tucker [00:08:03] Okay, but but just to be totally clear, in a free country, you can have any opinion you want about an election because you're a citizen.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:08:11] Right now in Brazil, they consider it a crime.

Tucker [00:08:13] So it would be a crime for you to say yes, I think the election was stolen.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:08:17] Yes. I could suffer a lot down there in Brazil if I-

Tucker [00:08:20] Even though we know for a fact the CIA was tampering in the democratic process in Brazil was playing a role in the election.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:08:28] Yes, yes. You know, and, one of the things why my father got, ineligible, you know, record time right after Lula take office is because he had the meeting.

Tucker [00:08:40] He was told he could never run again.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:08:43] Yes, he is ineligible until 2026. We are trying to overturn it inside of the courts. But, as you can imagine, it will be very hard to do that. I still have a hope. But anyway, he was turned unelectable because he had a meeting with ambassadors and talked with them about the electoral system in Brazil, how it works and criticizes some points. Normal thing. But before of this meeting of Bolsonaro, the ambassadors, the president of the Supreme Electoral Court, he had the same meetings with these ambassadors.

Tucker [00:09:14] Wait, so you're saying that your father, who's often been compared to Trump, has been declared ineligible to run again in the next election on the basis of complaints about the electoral system and that you had a protest against a rigged election that was backed by the U.S. government, and that as a result of that, Lula's political opponents wound up in jail. I mean, this sounds like exactly what's happening in the United States.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:09:41] Yes, yes.

Tucker [00:09:43] Have you noticed that?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:09:43] I yes, I usually say that it's the same virus, but in Brazil has less antibodies. Actually, there's a phrase of the journalists to forget it is a semi virus here. But imagine that in Brazil, the left wing or at least establishment, they fully control the Supreme Court. And who could do the check and balances and stop the Supreme Court? To do that is the Senate. But the Senate they don't take any kind of action against that. They have exactly the same speech of the Supreme Court justices. So in the end of the day, Brazilians are losing. They hope to get back democracy, because if you use machines to vote and you don't have a way to at least recount the votes, you have to trust the system 100%. And then they don't let more transparency in the elections. How can we elect someone? Bolsonaro, a conservative or right wing or someone outside of the establishment. This is the feeling that a lot of Brazilians have nowadays, unfortunately, in Brazil.

Tucker [00:10:52] I mean, once you have electronic voting machines, you can't be certain that the system is real.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:10:57] Yes.

Tucker [00:10:57] Why do you have electronic voting machines?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:11:00] I tried to avoid that. Once again, we approved in 2017 this printed vote bill. What? What is that? We use machines to vote. All right. This bill says that it was necessary to have a printer. A side of the machine. So at least you could recount the vote. When you have any kind of suspicion in the election. It was approved in 2017, a federal law. All right. On the next year, the Supreme Court said that this is unconstitutional. That's why in 2019, we started to do not only a bill to change the federal law, but amendment to change the Constitution, and we would have the votes because this was never an issue of a right wing or a left wing, a politician. It was something that was used to get together all of the Congress. But then, as I said, the president of the electoral court came to the Congress, talked with 11 presidents of parties, and changed their mind.

Tucker [00:12:09] And so if you have electronic voting machines with no way to recount and no way to prove what the votes actually were, if you're in favor of that, clearly you're committing fraud. I mean, what would be the other reason to be in favor of that?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:12:22] They say that it would be an anti-democratic comment of you, and they will shut it down in Brazil.

Tucker [00:12:28] So if I was a Brazilian citizen and I was in your media and I said what I just said.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:12:34] They would shut down your social media. It's exactly what happened Paulo Figueiredo it is someone like you, Tucker.

Tucker [00:12:41] Wait a second. I would not be allowed to see that in Brazil.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:12:44] But if you say it would be only once.

Tucker [00:12:47] Only once.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:12:47] Only once. Then they are going to shut you down. And if you keep it going to send FBI to your house. And if you keep doing the froze, the freeze, your accounts. Just what happened to Paulo. That's why he's leaving here together with Allan dos Santos. Paolo it was used to have daily, millions and millions of Brazilians watching him. Imagine you took Tucker, like, the best moment of your career in Fox News, and the Supreme Court justice says, okay, you cannot say that Lula is convicted. You cannot say that he has connection with Maduro and Daniel Ortega. You cannot say that he has ties with the PCC, the largest organized crime in Brazil. It happened that you can Google it. You're going to say, see that?

Tucker [00:13:31] Yes, I can imagine that, if that's the question. Yeah, that's the question. But I can't imagine living in a society where you're just not allowed to say it anywhere, I mean anywhere. So you're saying if I write that on X, if I broadcast it in a on a television channel, if I say it in a podcast, if I say it enough, I'll be shut down.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:13:53] Yes. Or even more than that, for example. When you've been in Brazil, you met Felipe Martins, right? Yes. He is the Jared Kushner of Jair Bolsonaro.

Tucker [00:14:04] I know him well yeah.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:14:04] But this guy now is in jail.

Tucker [00:14:07] Why is he in jail?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:14:10] It's a good question. It's the same question that we do. And see he's in jail because at least why do we see, like.

Tucker [00:14:17] Literally in jail?

Tucker [00:15:25] Has it happened to you?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:15:27] Not yet. But I think naturally, one day it will happen.

Tucker [00:15:33] Do you think you can stay in Brazil?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:15:36] I don't feel that I can say everything that I want, even if I am now a congressman and the most voted congressman in the history of Brazil, former chair of the Foreign Affairs and National Defense Committee and son of the former President. Because if they sent a congressman to jail because he recorded a video. They can do anything they want. That's why I'm telling you. I have to make sure about my words before, especially talk about election and in the past, talks about the pandemic. Vaccines and all of that.

Tucker [00:16:13] Because you're not allowed to complain about vaccines?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:16:18] They're say that they're going to say that you are anti-vaccine and you are committing a genocide. This is why they want to use it to talk about-

Tucker [00:16:24] You're committing the genocide. Yeah. By questioning the vaccines that killed all those people. You're the genocidal maniac.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:16:30] My father, he bought with the federal government budget. He bought more than 600 million vaccines in Brazil. You could even choose. What brand of vaccine would you like to receive? But Jair Bolsonaro only said, you take it if you want is up to you. And be careful because, for example, Pfizer, if you read everything that Pfizer advice you may about about the vaccines, I don't think you ought to take that. Because all of the Brazil is what we are in a poor country. What Brazilians go to a doctor before receive a shot. No one. And maybe if you have problems with your immune system and some other, pre sickness, maybe you are going to die. And when you die, you never have investigation to check if it was a consequence of the vaccine that you took. It's crazy. But this, this issue, you know, a lot because I see that it happens a lot here in United States.

Tucker [00:17:29] What's amazing is how similar what's happened in Brazil is to what's happening here. It feels like you're a couple of years ahead of us, and it's even more amazing that the Biden administration and the government of China have played such a big role in it. And let's end on this. China was a big issue in your father's campaign, I remember. China wants Brazil's natural resources. China already owns a lot of your infrastructure, your power grid, etc.. Food. Exactly. What role has China played, do you think, in what's happening now?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:18:00] Now, they are free to do whatever they want because Lula considers them an ally and they consider US the imperialists of the world. You know, Lula is a old fashioned communist. That's not a coincidence that during his second mandate, in around 2008 or 2009, China became for the first time after, I don't know, maybe one century, the number one trade partner of Brazil, because in the whole history of Brazil, it was used to be United States. Yes, but not anymore. This is also very weird how U.S. can do a campaign to get into democracy, as the Financial Times told. Supporting Lula went when we were always open it, even during the Biden administration. To be together with them is not a problem for us. I want you to trades and business with US way more than with China, because China, you know, do business with U.S. or any other country in the Western Hemisphere is not the same thing to do business with China.

Tucker [00:19:03] Yes.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:19:04] But unfortunately, the current president, he doesn't think like that. He thinks that we have to be close of China because-

Tucker [00:19:12] Why would the Biden administration be so supportive of Lula when he's anti-American?

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:19:18] I think because they're both left wing's ideology. This is the connection. It's a craziness connection, I guess, because if you think really thinking the Americans, you should never do that. I'll tell you. It's here, United States. Sometimes I see debates talking about a possible Third World War or a conflict with China. Right? Brazil is the number two in the world. When you talk about exports of iron, the fourth largest food producers of the world, with more than 200 million people in our population. And we have a lot of oil, more than even some of Arab countries. Yes way more. In a war. What would you like to have? Energy. Oil. Iron too the war machines. Food. You feed your soldiers, And everything now, if you start the war now, I will tell you the Brazil administration will be together with China against United States. Yes so these I think it was a wrong policy. Or at least you did not as a demonstration. You didn't pay attention about Brazil and China is doing with South America the same that they did with Africa. So if you keep not looking carefully about what is going on in South America. Maybe you are going to have more and more problems, more and more people going to the US borders. If you look to Venezuela about 10 million people from Venezuala are running away from the country. Some of them, they come from Mexico trying to come here by your borders. Brazil is like eight times more bigger than Venezuela. I'm telling you that if you do not, if Brazil turns itself into Venezuela, you will suffer a way more problems here in United States, and for sure not only in the borders. Drug dealers supporting terrorism. It will be a risk for you. Sure.

Tucker [00:21:27] Eduardo Bolsonaro, thank you very much.

Eduardo Bolsonaro [00:21:29] No thank you Tucker the opportunity to talk to the all of the world about what is going on in Brazil. You have such more, other other things happening only to finish. Please search for, the Judge Grillo who is leaving Judge leaving here United States and Alexandre De Moraes freezed her account in Brazil, so not even her salary is receiving anymore. In the morning, more Brazilians are going to ask for asylum here, unfortunately. But we think that the change can come from United States in this very important year.

Tucker [00:22:05] I hope so. Thank you. Thank you. So we thought it'd be interesting to learn more about the descending darkness in Brazil from someone who has tried to cover it and now no longer can. Paulo Figueiredo was a very well known, one of the best known television journalists in the nation of Brazil. He now lives in South Florida. His Brazilian passport has been stripped from him. This is all since the election of Lula. And he joins us now in studio to explain how exactly that happened. Well, thanks so much for coming on.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:22:33] It's an honor to be here. I don't know how how it happened. So I can give you details.

Tucker [00:22:38] So just be clear. You're fully Brazilian.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:22:41] Yes. I was.

Tucker [00:22:43] Your grandfather was president of Brazil? Yes. You're fully vested in the country. Yeah. You're not just like some guy who showed up in Brazil to cover things.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:22:49] If I was in the U.S., I would say my family came in the Mayflower.

Tucker [00:22:52] Exactly. Okay, exactly. So how, but now you're living in exile in the United States without a Brazilian passport. What is that?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:22:59] Well, I didn't even know that was possible, because until I believe, 2020, the only people the Brazilian government seized the passport was an international drug dealer. Yes. People were looking for him, and they had to seize his passport. But then I was working normally on a regular, TV station in Brazil, like mainstream media, doing this show on prime time. We had millions of people watching it. It was the most watched political show in the country. And, on December 30th of 2022, I received a call from someone that worked on a big social media company saying, well, we received a court order from the Superior Court, Superior Federal court, the Supreme Court of Brazil, saying that we have two hours to take down your social media platform. And I had like, I don't know, 1.5 million followers there on that specific one. And then I was like, wow, I'm not going to say the name because I don't want to expose the person that informed me. And I was like, wow. So I went live streaming and I said, look, apparently I'm going to disappear. And but later I found out because I got a call from a federal police officer saying, look, we your the law against you is broader. Apparently, they were to freeze all your assets in the country. They also ordered that we we going to seize your passport and you can't get in the country. And I was like, wow.

Tucker [00:24:26] What was the crime?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:24:26] So I never I was never formally notified. So there's nothing anywhere that I committed any crime or that I'm being accused or charged of anything. But, apparently they just decided that was best for the Brazilian people not to hear from me.

Tucker [00:24:43] Well, that's totalitarian.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:24:45] But it is. But Brazil is now. And, well, Lula called it a relative democracy. But the fact is we're in. Well, the things are happening in Brazil only happen in dictatorship countries.

Tucker [00:24:58] Well, that's just an incredible story. So-

Paulo Figueiredo [00:25:00] But it was not only to me. I have to say then. So there was a colleague of mine on. So 10 days later or 12 days later. Well, after the January 8th happened in Brazil.

Tucker [00:25:10] And just for context, I should say. So you said that you were stripped of your platform and told that you were having your passport taken.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:25:17] But it was still on TV.

Tucker [00:25:18] You were still on TV. Yeah. And that was well, that was like on the second to last day of Bolsonaro's presidency, where he had been declared the loser in the election. But nothing had even happened. Correct?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:25:31] Nothing happened. And I stayed on the air. But on January 8th, the revolt happened in Brazil. The protests, the demonstrations. And on January 9th, the Department of Justice opened an investigation against the TV station that I worked for. And when they did that, the owners panicked, and they they had to fire all the conservative commentators from and only the conservative commentators from the station. And they used to have the used to be number one in terms of viewership. And of course, now they're not doing well because it was, you know, what happens with the when they get rid of their stars. Right. So and that's, that's what, that's what happened in Brazil. And then I was let go and I open new social media platform, profiles that were shut down as well. And I've been I've been opening new ones all the time. It's like my new YouTube channel already has, I don't know, 200,000, subscribers and people, they block it. And then people, I open a new one and people resubscribe, and this is it.

Tucker [00:26:36] But you've never. Just to be clear, you don't. You've never been charged with a crime.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:26:39] Oh, no, I haven't even been, called to the polls or anything. I haven't, I've never received any communication from the Brazilian.

Tucker [00:26:48] How can the U.S. State Department not say anything about this?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:26:51] Oh, because they sponsor it. Good, right. The the US State Department sponsored what's happening in Brazil. So they're co-responsible. The United States is. Let me put it bluntly, the United States is co-responsible to what's happening in Brazil right now.

Tucker [00:27:08] It's such a shocking story.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:27:11] It is. And it's not covered by the mainstream media in the United States at all, because they're accomplishing sort of what's happening. The New York Times. They pretend nothing's happening. They wrote a couple of pieces against the Dmorris, but very mild, and they're not reporting what's happening.

Tucker [00:27:26] But if they take one of the most famous journalists in a huge country, I'm not sure Americans understand how big Brazil is. It's like US, yeah, 220 million with massive area and as big.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:27:38] As territorial, the continental United States.

Tucker [00:27:41] Exactly. So it's not an insignificant place. I mean, it's not sternum. I don't understand how they can the new government can shut down a journalist because they don't like his opinions. Strip him of his passport. And the U.S. State Department doesn't say anything.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:27:55] Well, not one journalist. We have at least three journalists. Actually, there's there's a case of a podcaster. It was kind of like Joe Rogan in Brazil, this very liberal guy. Yeah, that was taken down as well. And he's living in the US under asylum. And we have we have I would say we have dozens of Brazilians living on political asylum in the United States right now. Was my case because I was already here. But many others. You have the Allan dos Santos is unbelievable. His story he was was kind of like our Alex Jones in Brazil. More more, vocal. But still he has the right of his opinions. I didn't agree with him all the time. And they shut down his channel. It was a big company by then. Had a studio, everything. The federal police raided his house with his wife pregnant and pointing guns at him. It was a nightmare. And we're talking about a guy who's like a family man. And he has been living here in the United States, and there's, there's an open arrest warrant. He was on an Interpol red notice list right now.

Tucker [00:28:56] For what?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:28:57] For a crime of opinion. The terms, the terms they use are misinformation and, attacking the institutions. But what I like when I say, well, attacking means criticizing, right? You're a public officials. It's my duty as a journalist to criticize us. Yes. You work for us. I don't work for you. But that's what happened to him. And Rodrigo Constantino was my colleague. Same station also very a lot of viewers and-

Tucker [00:29:26] I mean, what American journalists, these defenders of press freedom have said anything about this?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:29:33] No, except for Glenn Greenwald. Yes.

Tucker [00:29:36] Who lives there.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:29:36] Lives there in Brazil and, except for him and, which is he's on the left. You know him? Yes. Oh, he was always on your show. But he was the one, the only one that that spoke anything about it.

Tucker [00:29:50] Do you worry about him?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:29:52] Well, I think he should. And he should be worried. Although I think the government of Brazil would have. Would be more cautious. Yeah. Meddling with, a United States citizen. And-

Tucker [00:30:07] Glenn won't pull back.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:30:09] I don't think so. I think he's very well. He exposes the NSA and the CIA. Yeah. So is very brave.

Tucker [00:30:16] And last question. How did you wind up in the United States? So this happened to you?

Paulo Figueiredo [00:30:20] So I actually left Brazil when Dilma Rousseff, the lady that succeeded Lula on his first term, when he when she got reelected. And I was, I'm out of here. And my wife was pregnant. I didn't want to stay there and raise my kids in Brazil anymore because I knew what was going to happen. And then we were lucky because we had Jair Bolsonaro winning and the country started going a good direction. But we kind of knew the establishment wouldn't let that happen for a long time. Right?

Tucker [00:30:48] So having lived through this, what do you think of the U.S. presidential election now in progress? You cover American politics, I should say also.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:30:55] Well, it's a moment of decision for the whole Western world, because I don't think there's a way Joe Biden can win fair square. He cannot be President if 80% of the country think you're too old and you're a large percentage of the country thinks he's mentally, ill, maybe.

Tucker [00:31:13] Senile.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:31:14] Senile, like, you know, whatever the Department of Justice says. And you can't win a presidential race unless you cheat. Unless you, it's not a fair and square election. So what I think it's going on right now for the whole world is the whole world's watching. If people still matters in any way, Trump will be elected. If the establishment has all the power and democracy's dead in the Western world. And it was a good run, we had a good run for like a little over 200 years. That's very rare in the history. You study history. You know how rare that is? Then democracy stand. And I can tell that because this is exactly what happened in Brazil and what's going on more and more and more. And you see that is that the powers are shifting from the people to the courts, what people call juris autocracy, not a democracy anymore, which is a great thing for globalists. If you think about it. Well, let's say you want to change something, in a democratic country, you have to pass a bill in Congress, and then Senate needs to prove it, and the President needs to sanction it. And so if you're a billionaire, a progressive billionaire, you have many here in the United States. And you want to change something, the society, let's say, make the society more open. You have two options. Either you go through the very difficult democratic process. Tedious. Yeah, it's very hard to control that. And I think the Founding Fathers knew that, and that's why they made it this way. You can do that or you can. Well, let's say you get six Supreme Court, just five, and then you can, I don't know, make abortion legal all over the country has been done, has been done before. So if you're a globalist, powerful elite, you can circumvent democracy and go straight to the judiciary. And that's exactly what happened in Brazil. And you can happen here. Let's just say that is most, I've been living here for ten years. I can tell the reality that we're living in Brazil is not that far away from America as you think. You guys think, oh, my God, we're we've been a democracy for hundreds of years. And no, if you what you think if you had, like, six Supreme Court justices were progressive appointed by Obama or Michelle Obama or who knows? What do you think your Supreme Court would be zealous about the Constitution. Really? If you if you told me five years ago the Brazil would be in the situation, I would say, get out of here now. That's too much. They're not going to arrest mainstream media journalists take his passport. They've done it. It was, it happened fast.

Tucker [00:34:01] Well you've wrecked my day. I appreciate your coming. Thank you. And I hope we see you again.

Paulo Figueiredo [00:34:11] Me too.

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