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130. Chlorine Dioxide and SFC Luke DeRienzo
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SFC Luke DeRienzo: [00:00:00] Yeah, it's a military decontaminant of some kind or another. And then when I said that the military shouldn't care about it Um, we lost connection.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah, it's funny. Um, although apparently natick labs, according to army dot mil natick labs did develop, um, a no power method, really no power method, no power required method of generating chlorine dioxide, which, um, was a bio side helped in the fight against Ebola.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Be sure and check it out. Alright, my next guest, he's been on before. You may recognize him from episode 55. Uh, we talked about interpretation and what language and how it, what it means. But today we have a new development in his health. [00:04:00] Uh, Luke, thanks for coming on.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Thanks for having me again, Sam.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, a while back, you and I talked about, uh, a substance called Chlorine Dioxide.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you want to learn more about Chlorine Dioxide and the nuts and bolts of it, go check out episode 79 with Dr. Manuel Apricio. Um, and I want to make it very clear that I am not recommending anyone use this as a medical treatment. This is for educational purposes only. Uh, but Luke, you, you, you learned about it and you thought, this is interesting, I want to see if it's going to work for me.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what did you try it for and what was your results?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Well, so, what I tried it for, originally, I was trying to do a detox. I had done multiple types of detoxes before, such as liver cleanses and things like that, specifically with, um, some of the instructions from Dr. Eric Berg, um, who's a DC, and, uh, actually a DCNP Dr.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Ed Group. And those were, those were pretty good and those were pretty helpful. But I knew that the ultimate [00:05:00] detox we would be talking about would be chlorine dioxide. Of course, um, after looking up MMS1 and MMS2. The one thing that had never gone away for a while, and that I had heard from allergists over the years, was that my long standing seafood allergy that I'd had since I was four years old could eventually be overcome with the right cleanses and things like that.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: And I wasn't sure what the nutritionists were talking about or what the D. C., D. C. N. P. 's or the um, allergists were speaking of. But after 45 days of chlorine dioxide, I was able to eat about 7 kinds of fish with no reaction whatsoever.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now when you say allergic to seafood, now do you mean like crustaceans, do you mean, um, uh, shellfish, do you mean, um, fish, specific types of fish, whitefish, redfish, uh, get into the details of that a bit more.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: It was, it was multiple kinds, um, although with, with certain white fish, it was less [00:06:00] severe. What would normally happen, especially with shellfish or crustaceans or anything that, uh, tasted particularly fishy, even if I could get it down, as soon as it hit my stomach, my body would reject it and I would immediately vomit.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: It was actually pretty rough. I could eat something that I didn't know was fish, and then, uh, immediately have that reaction. And it had been that way since I was about four or five years old. Um, but some were more reaction inducing than others. Some were more, uh, I was, I guess I was more sensitive to some than others.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: It was really rough though. Like, it would make you sweat like crazy and everything. And I guess I was just allergic to seafood, so I just didn't eat it. And then I said, well, now that I've tried this, let me see whether I'm still allergic. And yeah, I wasn't, I was kind of, wow. So

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you, you're able to eat any kind of anything that bothered you before, after doing this 45 day treatment, if you will, or, um, [00:07:00] you know, protocol, it was able to, to make it to where you could eat it and not vomit.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes. Wow.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah. And don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan of it now just because I

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: haven't

SFC Luke DeRienzo: eaten it for 29 years. Um, But I can eat it now if I want to. So now I always thought I didn't know what caused it, whether it was toxin exposure or something like that, or reaction to medication or something when I was younger.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I have no idea what it was, but it was like, well, if I'd been born in Japan, I'd be dead by now. And I would have died of starvation naturally. But now I can eat fish if I have to, which is kind of.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I would imagine you probably don't enjoy it just because you've, your body's conditioned. You'd not, not to like it after all those, uh, visceral responses.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Right. It's like Arabs who eat bacon for the first time. They might love the taste of it, but then get sick, because they just haven't eaten it their whole life. [00:08:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so, where did you discover chlorine dioxide? Because I know you and I talked about it a long time ago. Um, but where did you read about it, where did you learn about it?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um, well I knew about Pastor Grennan of the Genesis 2 Church. I had originally heard about it from there, and oddly enough I, had been sent that information by my sister who had much more success with chlorine dioxide than I did. Cause she had actually, she had more ailments that she overcame that Lee Merritt spoke of on her show.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Actually, I don't remember which episode it was, but after I tried chlorine dioxide, I told my sister, I said, Hey, do you remember when you sent me this stuff on MMS one and MMS two from the Genesis two group in Florida? And she remembered. And I said, well, okay, here. Here's what happened with me. See whether you can give it a shot, because it might help you.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: She had tunnel vision a little bit, which was decreased after that. It went away completely. And I think that was [00:09:00] only after 30 days of chlorine dioxide. Her energy levels increased. She had been excessively sweating for years and her, uh, especially working in South Georgia and in Florida. Um, and her sweating normalized.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: She said, she says her mood stabilized. Sorry, I'm reading off another screen. I'd written all this down on, she had hypothyroidism symptoms since she'd been a kid and those were all gone. Her heart rate also normalized, um, cause she had an irregular heart rate currently. And she said that was one of the low electrolyte symptoms.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um, And she said that all of the symptoms she had of low electrolytes, um, were normalized after 30 days of CD.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And CD is chlorine dioxide .

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yes, sorry.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so she noticed quite an improvement after doing it every day for 30 days.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: [00:10:00] Yeah, and I don't remember how many drops she worked her way up to. I think I worked my way up to 10 drops pretty slowly. If we're going with the dosage that, you know, Dr. Lee Merritt talks about on her website. Okay. But I don't remember.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I think my sister only went up to about six and even with only six drops of the same solution, she still had that kind of success after 30 days.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And so you're talking about MMS one or was it a mineral miracle solution?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I believe so. I think it's MMS two cause well, I don't actually remember. I know they're slightly different.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I just don't remember exactly which one I took. My cousin took one of them and I took the other. So I have a cousin who also uses chlorine dioxide now. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what did your cousin use it for?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: My cousin used it because he's had the worst allergies pretty much ever. Now, part of it is because of his breathing. He did have to [00:11:00] have facial surgery for sinuses and things like that. So that was a bit of a problem, but he also, he'd been trying raw honey and things like that to decrease his allergies.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: But, um, he ended up having to use chlorine dioxide to reduce it, so. He's, he's doing better. Um, He also brushes his teeth with chlorine dioxide and has reduced gingivitis. His mother had the same thing, so. She, uh, she also brushes her teeth with chlorine dioxide now.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Do they use toothpaste and then chlorine dioxide, or just chlorine dioxide and no toothpaste?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: You know, I'm not sure, actually. I forgot to ask that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So how do you make your chlorine

SFC Luke DeRienzo: dioxide? Uh, to be honest, I only made it that one time and I made such a large batch that, um, I just did the, uh, dissolution of the crystals [00:12:00] of the, uh, what is it? Potassium chlorate? Potassium chlorate? Um, I'm sorry. Is it sodium chlorate? I have to go look it up again. I bought it, bought it one time.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah. And then, um, I ended up putting it in a bottle and then using a medicine dropper and then, um, I believe I would put the water that I would drop it into, into the refrigerator and then I would just slowly drink it throughout the day. Um, I know Bob the plumber, his advice was to drink it before a meal.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: So you drink on an empty stomach like you're supposed to, but you wouldn't forget to take it throughout the day and you'd have too much too fast. I remember, I think I called you cause I said, Hey, am I drinking it too much too fast? Yeah. Men describe the symptoms to you and you said yeah, that sounds like too much too fast.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so for anybody that tries it there is this reaction called Herxheimer reaction and the Herxheimer reaction is not like an [00:13:00] allergy and not like some sort of bad reaction to the to the substance, uh, like you can get with some medications. What a Herxheimer reaction is, is when it works in your body and it does exactly what it's supposed to, it gets rid of poisons and toxins and helps your body release them.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, imagine now you have all these things floating around. Well, you can have a reaction to that, which for a lot of people is lots of loose stools. And so that's why you always start at a low dose. And if you start getting a Herxheimer reaction, then you reduce the dose until you can tolerate it. And then you start.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Slowly going up on the dosage again. That doesn't mean stop, that just means Slow down a bit slow down and decrease the dosage for a period of time because as it as many people postulate that it releases The content or it kills a lot of parasites that could be in your body that causes a reaction to your body because it has All these inflammatory chemicals floating around

SFC Luke DeRienzo: or the yeah, because you can also have the reaction where? If people do have parasites [00:14:00] people have certain parasite loads normally But isn't there an issue where you have a mother parasite that relates a whole releases a hormone that Stops all of her eggs from hatching until she's dead And then once you actually kill that parasite with an antiparasitic, including CD, the other ones can hash and you can end up with a much larger load than you thought you had.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not completely familiar with that, but the idea of parasites is, yeah, you have to treat them in kind of a pulse dosing, uh, treat them now, treat them again in a week or so, treat them again in a week or so because, because of that phenomenon that you just mentioned, right? They'll release more after they're dead or they'll, um, not expose themselves to body fluids until the other ones are gone.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cause they want to keep living too, and so rent free,

SFC Luke DeRienzo: of course, of course they do. Yeah. And then you end up with, um, a lot of times people get excessive urination from that too, because the body's just trying to flush everything out as fast as possible. [00:15:00] And that's what happened to me. But once I normalized the dose though, and started climbing up more slowly, everything was fine.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: So I believe, like I said, I 10 drops. Um, most of the time eight was more manageable. But, um, I've heard of people getting up above 10 without any issues after a while, but you normally have to do a regimen of it for, you have to do a few regimens of it before you work your way up to that.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because your body can react to it as you're releasing these toxins.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When I've done it before, I've done a slightly different product. It's where you, um, you mix the A and the B inside of a chamber, inside of like a little cup inside of a chamber, and in that chamber is water. And so when it off gasses, the water absorbs the chlorine dioxide. And so you can get typically up to 30, or up to 3, 000 parts per million of chlorine dioxide in water.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it, [00:16:00] so it's really concentrated, so you have to dilute that when you take it in. And that, that's typically what I have around the house. And, and what I use for, you know, if there's an insect bite, I put it on the insect bite, and it seems to stop burning or itching very, very quickly.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Right, okay. That's, well, I mean, that makes sense, because venom is a toxin.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Right. So it could be denatured or broken down by that,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but you use

SFC Luke DeRienzo: a, uh,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I even know a man who, um, his son was having an anaphylactic reaction and this man gave his son quite a strong, um, mixture of the chlorine dioxide and it arrested the anaphylaxis, like within a few minutes. It was, it was pretty amazing.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: From an allergy, so it's better than atropine or epinephrine.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it was pretty amazing to watch this happen because he didn't have to give his [00:17:00] son the EpiPen, which would have been a fairly traumatic event for the age of the young man.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, absolutely. Now, you used an activator with yours that was different from the one I used. I used citric acid, which does affect the taste.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: You used actual hydrochloric acid, correct?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. But it actually, so, so what he's talking about is he uses the, the sodium and the activator and he puts that in his, in what he drinks. What I do is I have them in a separate chamber and as it reacts, it off gases and goes into the water. And so I don't actually get either of those compounds into what I use.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so that's the difference between like CDS, chlorine dioxide solution and MMS one. And so MMS one, it can cause a little bit of reaction and you can have a little bit of taste. Changes depend on what kind of acid activator use,

SFC Luke DeRienzo: right?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Have you heard of many other [00:18:00] success stories with it? Because I only know of those four family members of mine. My parents took it as well when they heard about it. And they had some success. It was mostly for when they got sick from something, right? So, my mom Ended up having, she was outside working on a, on a farm that my parents owned.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: And the farm next door was spraying herbicide one day, and she got a big blast of herbicide. So naturally she took chlorine dioxide for the next few days to help get that out of her system. It, it does accelerate it and gets it done more quickly. The body, the body will do it on its own. Because I remember I had an issue with anti cholinergic poisoning in the same area.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um, I ended up taking a blast of that to the face. Truck window was open because it was a really nice day. They were spraying on the other side of the road. Um, and then I described my symptoms to a doctor who said, Well, um, so it sounds like you have the [00:19:00] flu. But then, um, you also have the tingling of the skin and it feels like it's burning.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: It's like, yeah, he's like, okay, otherwise it would be the flu. But that is actually pesticide or herbicide poisoning. Like, okay. Local doctor accidentally admits that flu is detox related. Accidentally admits. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Perhaps.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: All right. Arthur Furstenberg may have been correct about some stuff. Yeah. The 1919 Navy Spanish flu experiment makes a lot more sense now.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and when you get into the research, the only people that got it got the quote Spanish flu were the people that got the vaccine to help prevent it or inadvertently cause it.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: And a lot of the radio men out in Kansas who were getting telegrapher's disease and then being prescribed aspirin in extremely large doses, which caused their lungs to fill up with blood because they didn't give army doctors instructions on how to [00:20:00] use aspirin or how to dose it.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Wow. You got, uh, what's that book, uh, The Poison Needle, talking about how, uh, the role that pharmaceuticals played in the 1990s, or 1918 Spanish flu. And then you have The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg, showing that, how radio influenced it, and then the Navy tried to prove the transmission and, well, they couldn't do it.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: By 1919 they published the results, and I guess by then everyone was done freaking out over it. But they let guys out of prison to volunteer for that experiment. And, um, thinking that they were going to die and guys took their chances and they were perfectly fine. Uh, so I guess that works out. It's a good deal.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I don't think the IRB would approve that these days.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I do know

SFC Luke DeRienzo: that the Navy if the Navy let guys out of prison to do experiments, I don't think they'd be of the survivable kind because didn't they do something like that in 68 as well with the radiation exposure experiment? [00:21:00] Perhaps, yeah. Yeah, it was terrible.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I also know a man who used, um, chlorine dioxide.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He had age related macular degeneration. So age related macular degeneration is where you, um, lose the, the ability to see, especially at the focal point of your vision. So you basically have a big black hole where you're trying to look and it just follows you everywhere. So you can see the peripheral, but you can't see the center.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he started using eyedrops of chlorine dioxide. Went to the, uh, ophthalmologist and the ophthalmologist said, Well, it looks like it's not getting worse. And then went back to the ophthalmologist about three or six months later and, It's weird, it's, it's getting better. And, they did, this man did not need injections into his eyes, Uh, to stop this progression disease.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just, he just used the, the eye drops.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, wow. Okay. So does that imply that it was likely parasitic for him to do that?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:22:00] Or somehow the chlorine dioxide, I don't know how it works, but it, uh, Dr. Manuel Apricio gets into the mechanism of action a little more in episode 79 of my podcast. Uh, but it seems to normalize things.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It seems to balance things out somehow.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, okay.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I didn't know about balancing effects. That's really interesting, but that makes sense.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So the internet just crashed. Um, so you were saying it's a military.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Is that one of those times that your internet cut out?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It was, that was it. You were saying it was a military. What last thing I heard you say was that, uh, it's been used for military uses. Chlorine dioxide has [00:23:00] the military

SFC Luke DeRienzo: decontaminate of some kind or another. And then when I said that the military shouldn't care about it, um, we lost connection.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: So I don't. That's interesting. It's funny. Um, although apparently natick labs, uh, according to army. mil natick labs did develop, um, a no power method, really a new power method, no power required method of generating chlorine dioxide, which, um, was a bio side helped in the fight against Ebola. That was back in 2014.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: That's interesting. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. Wayne, if I'm not mistaken, I believe chlorine dioxide Dioxide was either developed by or evaluated by NASA back in the eighties. That wouldn't surprise me. I mean, NASA was military for a very long time.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: believe it still [00:24:00] probably is.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah. Um, actually, yeah. No, that's fair. If you look at the bios of all the famous astronauts, they were all Navy or Air Force pilots primarily, and.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Each branch has an astronaut program. So do you know what NASA said they were using it for?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I know, uh, for some sort of, uh, well, that's where the term, uh, universal antidote came from was when, from, from some of their documents. Oh,

SFC Luke DeRienzo: that's interesting.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah. I don't.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it seems to be a universal antidote, which, by the way, if you're interested in learning more about it, go to the universal antidote. com.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: That's a good

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: site.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah, I went there to learn a lot about it. My cousin did as well. And I think that's where we started looking at the differences between CDS, MMS1, and MMS2.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um, and I believe there was also a [00:25:00] German video that you sent me from a German doctor. I just don't, uh, think he was making CDS.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, and I believe he is not a physician. He's a physicist or chemist, something to that nature.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't mean that he was a doctor doctor. I mean, he was like a doctor of some kind.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: The doctor titles that matter most to doctors when they hear them. So I apologize.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's okay. It's not like Dr. Jill or, you know. Sorry, you can't, you can't enter into that commentary at all. So we'll move right along here.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: That's fair. Or those who identify as doctors, such as a certain software developer who's a pharmaceutical investor. Yeah.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hmm. Yeah. Pretend to be doctors on TV [00:26:00] because they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express or some island the night before. I don't know.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, I mean, I just went to Holiday Inn Express yesterday.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: And one of the former capitals of the world for that Lehigh, Utah, uh, and that hotel was surprisingly normal, which is good, but yeah, if it were on a certain island or if it were, let's say 170 years ago, there probably would have been some different activities occurring inside of that hotel out in the open, maybe 150.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Now that I'm here to go after that particular tribe too hard or the other one, I know that's not the purpose of your program.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Yeah. Things have changed.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Um, but yeah, as far as chlorine dioxide goes. The universal antidote is, uh, does appear to be a good name for it, just because of, I mean, my testimonial is pretty mild, pretty weak.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: It's like, oh, I'm not allergic to seafood anymore. I mean, [00:27:00] Pete and my sister no longer has hypothyroidism. I mean, those are, those are good things. But there are people who have had, uh, When your cousin doesn't have gingivitis. When my cousin doesn't, yeah. The, obviously, uh, versatility of it, or shall we say the universality of its effectiveness is certainly demonstrable in that, just that small sampling of a bunch of people with the same last name.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: But, um, a lot of other people have had a lot more success with it. Such as the, uh, Genesis 2 malaria trials in Africa. Those are pretty good. I forget which country in Africa they went to, I don't remember whether it was Togo or Benin or what, but they, uh, they did some malaria trials with it and worked just fine.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Don't need to take a bunch of doxycycline pills and have some horrible fever dreams and vomit all night. Not saying that doxycycline always does that to people, but [00:28:00] doxycycline can do things like that to people.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, even on this, on this, uh, very show, episode 41, uh, Dr. Todd, I'm sorry, a lawyer, uh, Todd Callender came on and he talked about how he got rid of his bladder cancer and how his father, um, cured his MS by using chlorine dioxide.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Yeah, so those are much more important and much more Significant accomplishments of chlorine dioxide,

SFC Luke DeRienzo: but if you just have little problems Apparently it fixes those too. Sorry to hear that though. I didn't know attorney calendar had bladder cancer. I like He does not anymore. He does not and Did he use the universal antidote in order to cure the bladder cancer or was it in conjunction with other? [00:29:00]

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, he was kind of sticking his head in the sand about the bladder cancer.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He was taking the chlorine dioxide for a total knee infection that he got, and And by happenstance it also got rid of his bladder cancer. Oh wow, that's fantastic.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Wow. Got an attorney calendar. I'm gonna look him up and see how his cases are coming along.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I believe he's got one that's still in play.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The one that I wrote the affidavit for.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, okay.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: I remember that one, yeah. That makes sense.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Well, Luke, if

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you are, if you have any recommendation for anyone that is interested in learning more about it, or even trying it themselves, what do you want to leave us with?

SFC Luke DeRienzo: [00:30:00] Don't take too much too fast. As Sam said, you can have, uh, What kind of reaction is it again? Yeah, and you can sweat profuse. Yeah, and you can sweat profuse. Yeah, and you'll have to drink a decent amount of water when you do it obviously because It's just like any cleanse or any, yeah, it's just like any cleanse in that regard.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: But yeah, you could end up sweating previously or have a urination or any of the side effects that we discussed on the show that it's, it's possible. But, um, The side effects aren't the same as side effects of pharmaceuticals that you might take where they often include death or things very close to or leading to death.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: So that's a huge plus.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And again, I want to make it very clear that I'm not recommending this as treatment for anyone. This is for educational purposes only. Please do your own research and figure out if it's right for you. [00:31:00] Well Luke, thank you so much for sharing your experience, sharing your family's testimonial.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And giving us kind of a, an inside look into what this substance can do for people.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Well, I'm sorry. Aside from my family anecdotes, I don't think I know that much about chlorine dioxide otherwise.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you so much for coming on.

SFC Luke DeRienzo: Oh, sure. I mean, we, we used up almost the entire hour, even with that, uh, computer glitch there. So I'm kind of glad that we gave ourselves enough time.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day. The full armor of God lets all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:32:00]

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